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Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by lawlorino »

1dom wrote: post #58
Dig1t wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The most likely candidates are places like Bradford and Birmingham, which are still - according to wikipedia - 60%+ white british, that's without even considering british asian or other people born in and native to the UK. Again, sorry, I can't find any sources to support your facts here, maybe I looked in a different place to you, so perhaps you could share your sources?

I’m not taking sides on the wider argument here, but I think it’s you who should check your sources? Copy pasting direct from wikipedia:

> The city of Bradford is 45.8% White according to the latest 2021 census data, with the White British population being 40.5%. 45.3% of the city's population is Asian, primarily from the Pakistani community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford

> According to figures from the 2021 census, 48.7% of the population was White (42.9% White British

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by hagbard_c »

jiddert8 wrote: post #7

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Don't capitalise black, don't capitalise white, write like we used to do before the identity politicos started messing things up. Even by capitalising white you're falling into their trap of raising identity as a political factor. Dump the lot of those identity politicos in the bin where they belong and let's get to the actual issues no matter what they say.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by eesmith »

Dig1t wrote: post #52
kjkjadksj wrote: post #39

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If they are fed up with immigration they are stupid. “Gee we have declining birth rates and we want to deny this pool of labor that might correct course because they are brown.” The american empire was built on easy immigration. Turns out the tired and poor that we took in can build empires and win europe’s major wars for them.

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Ahh, so you want to lock down the border between the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, because if you drop 1 million citizens of Ireland into London they also don't simply become British but are just Irish living in London.

The Welsh might have a comment about how much the British government tried to erase the native culture and people who lived on those isles for thousands of years before various foreigners came in on little boats. How are the native Cornish speakers doing these days?

The American Empire grew in no little part by specifically importing people from Africa to work as slaves.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by dzhiurgis »

TrackerFF wrote: post #60
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #24

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That seems like an inadequate explanation of why Elon Musk, who is not a Brit, is investing so much time and energy into this issue.

It is easier when that is the zeitgeist. If every other country in Europe has the same thing going on, it becomes easier to campaign on that sort of stuff. Suddenly the extreme parties don't seem that extreme, and people start to question whether or not previously extreme opinions are that extreme anymore.

Not so extreme anymore. Extreme was the status quo.

Even Sweden has introduced a new law against misbehaving immigrants (before you'd be risking your job just by speaking about the issue) just few days ago - https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-passes-good-behaviour-l...

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Post by w0de0 »

Dig1t wrote: post #52
kjkjadksj wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are fed up with immigration they are stupid. “Gee we have declining birth rates and we want to deny this pool of labor that might correct course because they are brown.” The american empire was built on easy immigration. Turns out the tired and poor that we took in can build empires and win europe’s major wars for them.

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Ah, friend, America was importing people from Africa. Indeed “import” is rather more apt in this case than the several other you’ve ignored (e.g. the mass immigration from Vietnam at the finish of that war).

What a horridly dull country it would be were your understanding nearer the truth; what a betrayal of its dream to wish it as you see it; how silly you would seem to your know-nothing antecedents so lumping “Europeans” as one (it is an irony that in their comparatively more nuanced racialism they at least understood a little more of that continent’s ethnic and cultural diversity).

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by sefrost »

10xDev wrote: post #29
eyevz wrote: post #10

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Immigration has dramatically gone down in the past few years. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo... (figure 2) I think the real problem people are having is that a large amount of those immigrants are now no longer from the EU. But you have Brexit to blame for that.

A) people had an issue with immigration when it was mostly from the EU as well, one of the main drivers of Brexit

B) leaving the EU did not mean that non-EU migration had to go up

C) immigration going down for one or two years doesn’t change the fact that millions of people are in the UK that most British people didn’t want to enter in the first place over a period of 15+ years

D) net immigration going down still means lots of people are entering the UK from elsewhere, while people from the same culture (ie grew up in the UK) are leaving which still changes the culture of the country

Note: I’m not saying I personally agree with any of those points but it’s clear what the issues are if you’re prepared to listen. There is opinion polling on all of this.

Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by 10xDev »

sefrost wrote: post #66
10xDev wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Immigration has dramatically gone down in the past few years. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo... (figure 2) I think the real problem people are having is that a large amount of those immigrants are now no longer from the EU. But you have Brexit to blame for that.

A) people had an issue with immigration when it was mostly from the EU as well, one of the main drivers of Brexit B) leaving the EU did not mean that non-EU migration had to go up C) immigration going down for one or two years doesn’t change the fact that millions of people are in the UK that most British people didn’t want to enter in the first place over a period of 15+ years D) net immigration going down still mea…

Yeah this is just nonsense, not really worth dealing with for anyone even mildly serious. If you want to halt all immigration or deport all immigrants then you are on the wrong forum.

There certainly are forums for what you are suggesting though.

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Post by sieabahlpark »

10xDev wrote: post #53
Dig1t wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You are fear mongering here. I do think immigration is double edged, but if you look at the statistics I posted it is very far from replacement level. If you would prefer to have immigrants from the EU instead, then something needs to be done about Brexit.

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Re: Big Tech is stoking unrest in the UK. Why?

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Post by sefrost »

10xDev wrote: post #67
sefrost wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A) people had an issue with immigration when it was mostly from the EU as well, one of the main drivers of Brexit B) leaving the EU did not mean that non-EU migration had to go up C) immigration going down for one or two years doesn’t change the fact that millions of people are in the UK that most British people didn’t want to enter in the first place over a period of 15+ years D) net immigration going down still mea…

Yeah this is just nonsense, not really worth dealing with for anyone even mildly serious. If you want to halt all immigration or deport all immigrants then you are on the wrong forum. There certainly are forums for what you are suggesting though.

I didn’t suggest either of those things.

Like I said I’m not voicing my personal opinion.

But we can look at the polling data going back decades now on this issue. People were not happy when it was 50,000 net migration. At one point it hit 950,000.

Obviously the issues that people are concerned about on housing, on transport, on education and more aren’t resolved by reducing the flow for a couple of years.

My point is simply that these feelings have existed for a long time and the government has generally gone against what the electorate have asked for. Are you prepared to concede that point?

If so, then I think blaming it on big tech is a major stretch since this all happened before they had as much command of our attention.

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