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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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FireBeyond wrote: post #418
UltraSane wrote: post #379

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Israel left Gaza in 2005.stop telling obvious lies. Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7 2023 killing at least 800 civilians in an act of incredibly bloodthirsty barbarism, including children, the elderly, and 364 victims attending the Nova music festival. Remember when Hamas paraded the body of that young German woman Shani Louk they killed like a hunting trophy?

> Israel left Gaza in 2005 You're absolutely right, and this is antisemitic propaganda. Israel left more than 20 years ago and didn't return until 2023 due to Hamas terrorism. They certainly didn't return: - for five months in 2006 for Operation Summer Rains - or again in 2006 for Operation Autumn Clouds - or again in 2008 for Operation Hot Winter - or again in 2008 into 2009 for Operation Cast Lead - or again in 201…

This is what makes talking about Israel so exhausting. Everyone of those operations was a repsponse to some violence Hamas did and you just ignore it because you are so incredibly biased.

Hamas thinks it can destroy Israel with force. It can't anymore than native Americans can destroy the US. And Hamas trying and failing over and over and over and over has made the lives of Palastinians much worse. Hamas gleefully kills any Palestinians that point this out or oppose them in any way.

Just for comparison after Germany lost WW2 they lost 25% of their land and 14 million German living on it were expelled. Has Germany spent the last 78 years trying to get it back? No. Instead they have been doing the smarter option which is creating a peaceful and rich country, which is what the Palastinians should have done.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

tmule wrote: post #408
throw37832 wrote: post #388

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There are more Muslims living happily in Israel than Jews in all Muslim countries combined. More specifically there are 0 Jews living in areas under control of the Palestinian Authority, or in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen.

Illogical collectivist blather suggesting that therefore, Muslims should be treated as a collective, and deprived of rights in Israel? Also, what’s with the “happily”?

No, it just points out how hypocritical Muslims are being.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by FireBeyond »

UltraSane wrote: post #421
FireBeyond wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel left Gaza in 2005 You're absolutely right, and this is antisemitic propaganda. Israel left more than 20 years ago and didn't return until 2023 due to Hamas terrorism. They certainly didn't return: - for five months in 2006 for Operation Summer Rains - or again in 2006 for Operation Autumn Clouds - or again in 2008 for Operation Hot Winter - or again in 2008 into 2009 for Operation Cast Lead - or again in 201…

This is what makes talking about Israel so exhausting. Everyone of those operations was a repsponse to some violence Hamas did and you just ignore it because you are so incredibly biased. Hamas thinks it can destroy Israel with force. It can't anymore than native Americans can destroy the US. And Hamas trying and failing over and over and over and over has made the lives of Palastinians much worse. Hamas gleefully ki…

> Everyone of those operations was a repsponse to some violence Hamas did and you just ignore it because you are so incredibly biased.

You're right. It -is- exhausting. Because I never said a word about the merit, or lack thereof, of Israel's actions or reactions, or Hamas'.

I just commented that Israel has spent multiple years in Gaza "since they left".

HOWEVER, you absolutely stated, and get bent out of shape multiple times in this thread alone, at anyone even hinting Israel set foot in Gaza since 2005:

Someone comments saying this exact thing, "Israel has been operating in buffer zones", etc., etc. and you?

"Israel left... Stop telling obvious lies."

Also, it might not be permanent occupation but when you're back there nearly every year for 3-9 months, it might not feel like you ever really left.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

tovej wrote: post #413
throw37832 wrote: post #388

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There are more Muslims living happily in Israel than Jews in all Muslim countries combined. More specifically there are 0 Jews living in areas under control of the Palestinian Authority, or in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, and Yemen.

That is just a blatant lie? There are Jews living in all those places. Not that many perhaps, but they exist. And it's not really about religion. It's about Palestinians specifically, who are indigenous to Palestine, and are under Israeli apartheid. The Palestinians who have been exiled by Israel, and their children, cannot live where their grandparents lived (even though they should have a right to return, under UN…

There are a lot less Jews living in Muslim countries after Israel was created than before. 800,000 were expelled and mostly moved to Israel. You don't hear them whining for the right to return.

There isn't a single jew living in Gaza. Why is that?

It is very much about religion. Hamas is an explicitly Islamic supremacist organization that calls for the destruction of Israel as a religious obligation.

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Post by UltraSane »

tovej wrote: post #414
UltraSane wrote: post #380

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"It means you think the Jewish people have a god-given right to the Palestinian land" It was never actually Palastinian land. It was Jewish land, then Roman land, then Ottoman land, then British land, then Jewish land after Palastinians attacked Israel and lost. At no point were the Palastinians ever a sovereign country and in fact they incredibly foolishly rejected the UN offer for one. "other creeds and ethnicities…

Ok, well, you seem to be a Zionist. And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). The Palestinians are the people who lived there. The Zionists expelled half of them and razed 500 villages to the ground in 1948. It was an ethnic cleansing. They denied them the right to return. There was a Palestinian identity and there was a Palestinian society. They revolted against the Ottomans, and the…

I'm not a zionist I think the Palastinians were fools to refuse the UN offer of their own country and attack Israel. If they had won they would have expelled all Jews. They could have had their own sovereign Nation for 78 years now.

Just for comparison after Germany lost WW2 they lost 25% of their land and 14 million German living on it were expelled. Has Germany spent the last 78 years trying to get it back? No. Instead they have been doing the smarter option which is creating a peaceful and rich country, which is what the Palastinians should have done.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

FireBeyond wrote: post #419
tovej wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, well, you seem to be a Zionist. And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). The Palestinians are the people who lived there. The Zionists expelled half of them and razed 500 villages to the ground in 1948. It was an ethnic cleansing. They denied them the right to return. There was a Palestinian identity and there was a Palestinian society. They revolted against the Ottomans, and the…

> And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). Right, like stomping around the comments claiming that anything less than pretending Israel didn't set foot in Gaza between 2025 and October 7, 2023 is filthy Hamas propaganda, the existence of at least six formally named IDF operations being just a pesky bit of reality that can be easily run over by a Merkava Mk V main battle tank.

What do you think that proves? It only proves how pointlessly violent Hamas is.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by FireBeyond »

UltraSane wrote: post #426
FireBeyond wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). Right, like stomping around the comments claiming that anything less than pretending Israel didn't set foot in Gaza between 2025 and October 7, 2023 is filthy Hamas propaganda, the existence of at least six formally named IDF operations being just a pesky bit of reality that can be easily run over by a Merkava Mk V main battle tank.

What do you think that proves? It only proves how pointlessly violent Hamas is.

Maybe it will stop you from yelling at people that they are liars when they say anything about Israel being in Gaza?

Or, who am I kidding, of course it won't.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tmule »

UltraSane wrote: post #422
tmule wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illogical collectivist blather suggesting that therefore, Muslims should be treated as a collective, and deprived of rights in Israel? Also, what’s with the “happily”?

No, it just points out how hypocritical Muslims are being.

Hypocrisy is an individual quality, not a collective quality, Zio!

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tovej »

UltraSane wrote: post #424
tovej wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is just a blatant lie? There are Jews living in all those places. Not that many perhaps, but they exist. And it's not really about religion. It's about Palestinians specifically, who are indigenous to Palestine, and are under Israeli apartheid. The Palestinians who have been exiled by Israel, and their children, cannot live where their grandparents lived (even though they should have a right to return, under UN…

There are a lot less Jews living in Muslim countries after Israel was created than before. 800,000 were expelled and mostly moved to Israel. You don't hear them whining for the right to return. There isn't a single jew living in Gaza. Why is that? It is very much about religion. Hamas is an explicitly Islamic supremacist organization that calls for the destruction of Israel as a religious obligation.

What do you mean there isn't a single jew living in Gaza? How is that relevant? That is entirely beside the point.

If you had the option to live as a full citizen in Israel, being told you're part of the dominant ethnicity that's treated as human beings; or staying in Gaza, where you are being bombed to death by the IDF, I wonder which you would choose?

Your argument is essentially stating the conditions of apartheid as negative for dominant ethnic group. I didn't know someone could be so divorced from reality.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tovej »

UltraSane wrote: post #425
tovej wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, well, you seem to be a Zionist. And not very educated on the matter (or willfully misrepresenting things). The Palestinians are the people who lived there. The Zionists expelled half of them and razed 500 villages to the ground in 1948. It was an ethnic cleansing. They denied them the right to return. There was a Palestinian identity and there was a Palestinian society. They revolted against the Ottomans, and the…

I'm not a zionist I think the Palastinians were fools to refuse the UN offer of their own country and attack Israel. If they had won they would have expelled all Jews. They could have had their own sovereign Nation for 78 years now. Just for comparison after Germany lost WW2 they lost 25% of their land and 14 million German living on it were expelled. Has Germany spent the last 78 years trying to get it back? No. Ins…

You're not a Zionist, but you then proceed to make a Zionist argument?

The Palestinians were the only people living on the land before the settlers came. That included Jews and Christians, because Palestinians are not a homogeneous group.

The Zionist settlers are not indigenous, they had no right to settle there. They also took the UN resolution and just started a war where they razed 500 villages. I'm sure if the Palestinian side had won, they would have expelled the settlers. But that is only natural. And beside the point, because the Palestinians didn't start the war, and of course uou expel invaders.

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