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Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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What sort of rewards other than being known in the warez scene (not even under your real name). You can't buy anything with it or boast about it in public.

Sometimes pre-release sources are rewarded financially. I have no idea where the money comes from[1], though. This was the case for the Academy member that was busted a while back. IIRC, he was just selling his DVD screeners to pirate groups. [1]: I get that the group pays for it, but what the source of the money is, I don't know. Are people just sinking money into for the 'props' of being first? Is there a greater f…

Being first, or otherwise an interesting group means that FTP administrators want you to fill their servers with your releases. As a return, the group gets a bunch of unlimited use "leech accounts" to these FTP servers.

A lot of money enters the scene via people who directly or indirectly buy "leech accounts" from these groups. These unlimited use FTP accounts give the buyer a very convenient way to acquire everything that has ever been released by anyone.

Also, interestingly enough, while release groups selling FTP access is a common practice and done by basically everyone, FTP administrators can't sell accounts directly, as it is extremely taboo for people other than the members of groups to profit from the scene.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Identity theft is still called "theft", even though nothing is actually stolen. Piracy is more like counterfeiting. It's much worse than stealing. Stealing a TV only deprives someone of that physical value. Pirating software has the ability to destroy the value of the entire product line (why would someone pay $99 when they can just get it for free). The same concept also applies to things like the app store. Now tha…

If you cannot make spending $99 dollars more appealing to your target audience than going to the pirate bay and messing around with sketchy-ass cracks, then frankly you just suck at selling software and really have little business doing it. The people actually in the market for $99 dollar software in the first are not going to do all that nonsense (unless you have done something terribly wrong with your legitimate di…

"If you cannot make spending $99 dollars more appealing to your target audience than going to the pirate bay and messing around with sketchy-ass cracks, then frankly you just suck at selling software and really have little business doing it."

So..I should be forced to compete with someone making an exact copy of my software and giving it out for free? Does this make any sense to you?

Should hackernews.com be forced to compete with hackernews2.com, which is an exact duplicate?

"The people who pirate it are jobless students"

Do you have any evidence to back this up? Adobe has a student edition that can be purchased for almost nothing from many sites and it's all legitimate. Microsoft has these programs and also things like the bizspark/webspark programs. You can get free Microsoft software and all you need is an LLC (costs very little to create).

Your reasons don't really make sense anymore.

"with draconian DRM, or by not offering it on Steam, or whatever)"

Wow, we sure are in an entitlement generation. If you can't get exactly what you want, you take it upon yourself to just take it. I also can't really take anyone that uses the word "draconian" seriously.

The problem with your logic is that it never ends.

Look at the music industry: At first, it was because CDs were too expensive. The record companies responded by having 99 cent singles and very cheap music. Next, it was because the artists weren't being treated fairly. With the Internet, you can now release your music without any label.

Hell, even the infamous louis CK $5 comedy special was pirated like hell the day after it was released. It's very cheap, DRM free, and people still pirated the hell out of it. How do you explain this? The "Draconian" DRM? Too expensive? The bits weren't in the right order for the pirates' specification?

Piracy came first, not "Draconian DRM", so this is not a valid excuse as to why people are pirating, sorry.

"Gamers who are in the market for games buy games."

Your mindset isn't new and as a software developer (and business owner), I just need to change my business plan. Now, you will need to pay a monthly fee for my service instead of owning it outright. It stops piracy dead. I hope you enjoy paying a monthly fee for all of your software, because it's a world piracy helped create.

I'm sick of people like you that just can't be honest: you want free stuff and you aren't willing to use you hard earned money to get it.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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For the longest time, cracking Photoshop was a 1 byte change. In effect, there was a conditional JMP. You patch the address of the good JMP to the bad conditional side. Voila: enter a good or bad serial, and it works. A bunch of us under +Fravia came to an agreement that this simplicity was intentional. I think we all can come to the conclusion to why that is... As to your supposition that no amount of 'junk' would s…

I was under the [naive] impression that _every_ security check finally boils down to one JMP statement. Can you please explain what makes other programs more difficult to crack than flipping the one JMP location?

Instead of a JMP, imagine that the serial key is used to calculate some variable in the program. The code runs with both a valid and an invalid serial, but some core algorithm of the program uses this variable, that was derived from the serial. If the serial was invalid, the core algorithm would not produce the desired result.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Interesting reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez_scene

More info in my comment here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1636785 One change from 2.5 years ago, now the scene does FLAC releases (finally): http://i.imgur.com/YZjUw.png

That's a good comment. I am personally most amused at the amount of bureaucracy involved.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Becuase saying piracy is theft has truthiness, whereas saying piracy is genocide does not.

Neither "has truthiness". Copyright exists as a separate legal doctrine for a very simple reason: It is materially different from theft. Enough so that making property law fit copyright is not feasible in any reasonable way. One is based on an presumptive right of the individual to protection of their right to continued use of something. The other is an artificial government monopoly restricting the public from exerc…

I think you miss understood me. I used the word "truthiness" to mean it sounds like it is true. For someone not fammilar with the issue, saying pirating is a form of theft sounds valid.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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I would be interested to hear how piracy can justified, not for multi-million dollar corporations and defunct organisations, but for small businesses and individuals.

Adobe and Microsoft can sustain their products being pirated wholesale partly because it undermines their smaller competitors.

It's easy to justify downloading episodes of syndicated television shows, platinum albums, or computer games from 1992, but as a startup-centric site, it seems more relevant to question the impact of piracy on small independent businesses/artists/producers.

Maybe they should be "grateful for the publicity", or "flattered" that their product has been downloaded thousands of times on thepiratebay.org. Maybe the losses incurred are made up for by a wider audience and more sales once the user has reached maturity...

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Until Microsoft Dreamspark, this is how I was able to teach myself to program. This really happens. However, I think programs like Dreamspark are the answer to this. Microsoft will let you download Visual Studio if you go to school. Not word (but it's only $99 for a student, affordable). Article is a little misleading when it comes to paying for Adobe CS in general. If you are a student you can usually pick it up for…

In case of learning to program though, I think the express edition is more than enough. Hell, I even know some company who are using the express edition for their main production tool.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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post #132

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It is easier to pirate, and pirated versions of software generally restrict calling home so IMO some pirated software is better than the non-pirated version.

Only if whoever cracked it remembered to rip that part of the code out. I'm sure there's a few companies out there compiling lists of IP addresses. If you are worried about your software doing shit you don't want, open source or bust.

Or turn of your internet connection while playing.

Re: Editorial: "How piracy changed my life"

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Actually yes, well actually approaching zero, and I realize it doesn't sound right. The cognitive dissonance comes from the economics of information, they work differently than the economics of goods. Imagine this thought experiment. Imagine there was a 100% fool proof copy protection scheme in China, and the only way to acquire Microsoft Office would be to buy it. Try to imagine how many people, who make $1000 in a…

This is really interesting, thank you. Could you recommend any good books about the economics of information as you've described it here?

I don't know of any good books on the subject. I have been studying the ideas since 1995 when I joined a startup called GolfWeb which was publishing a magazine about Golf on the Web. And the question came up "What is this worth?" and "Would people subscribe?" That lead to some interesting investigations into the how people value things. Then in the late 90's I was talking with a friend who was getting an MBA at Berkeley. We invented the 'time valued coke machine' over lunch one day, its a coke machine where you can buy a soda for 25 cents if you are willing to wait an hour to have it come out. For $2 it will come out right away. Now this is a really really precise soda machine (has an atomic clock in it) so if you paid your 25 cents your ticket tells you exactly when a soda will fall out of it. Now you can sell that to someone for 50 cents, and if you're getting near the hour mark you might be able to sell it for $1 or maybe $1.50. So you have just created, and sold information for a profit of 100 - 500%. All when you thought you were buying a soda :-).

I started writing my experiences with this up but stopped when I went to work for Google on the advice of my lawyer. Its a discouraging thing to write/talk about because without context people think its crazy, so slowly over time, as context develops, and "real world" examples get played out, the notion that information can have its own set of economic principles becomes less foreign because it sure as heck isn't behaving like it "should" if it was bound by the old rules.

Anyway, three ways I've seen so far to add value to information is that its timely, its rare, or its distilled. An example of timely information would be stock trades, very valuable right at the time they happen to high frequency traders, less and less as it gets older until its basically worthless 15 minutes old. Continuing with the stock market 'rare' or 'precious' information might be insider information about a company, it has value because it creates context that others can't see, which gives it a value proportional to the advantage it conveys, and lastly distilled value. Remember our stock market trades? Well they were very valuable 20 milliseconds after they happened, worthless after 15 minutes, but when kept over the course of time new data can be distilled from that old information (like maybe a stock always rises in the third quarter). I discovered at a conference that the intelligence agencies call this last one the 'Mosaic effect' where any single piece of information is useless but together they allow new data to emerge.

Artistic creation however is always the "best" information in terms of value. It can create value greatly out of proportion to the cost to produce it.

Anyway, like I said, I've been thinking about this stuff for 15 years. :-)

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