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From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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post #34

There are ways to implement this without affecting anyone's privacy. For example here in Poland everyone has an ID and everyone that wants to use egov services, file taxes, or check their prescriptions online has a cryptographic identity. It would be trivial to implement a challenge that would work like this: - the site requests you to sign a challenge - you sign the challenge and provide it to third party verifier.…

How much will it cost to get someone else to verify the challenge?

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#102
post #91
post #79

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https://monolith-project.org/blog/age-verification/ The California law might interest you (but with reverse data flow - the way you proposed doesn't work because most websites have mixed content)

Mixed content would have to be tagged as such. Mixed content isn't a problem for broadcast TV or newspapers. They simply avoid publishing material not appropriate for children, e.g. broadcast news programs don't show gore, even when a place has been bombed and is littered with body parts.

Websites mix content far more than TV shows do.

Think about the Twitter home page (back when it was Twitter). If someone tweeted something that should be restricted, what do you suggest?

Mark the whole page over-18 and effectively ban kids from using Twitter until it falls off the front page? That's ridiculous.

Ban people from tweeting over-18 content or hide it from everything except direct links? This is what Twitter management would choose, in reality, if the other option aa the above. They'd just make the whole platform child-safe. Remember how much outrage this caused when Tumblr tried it? But you want to force this on all platforms.

Hide the over-18 tweet from users who are under 18, but display the rest of the page? This is the obviously most sensible solution, and it requires the server to know whether the user is over 18.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#103
post #73

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Sounds very similar to the California bill that passed a few months ago - the one HN absolutely hated. The person who does device initial setup says whether the account is a child or adult, and transmits this to websites so they can block the content appropriately. (The site transmitting a rating doesn't work because most sites that aren't porn sites have mixed content ) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47181208

Not the same. I’m suggesting the site is required to transmit a category or rating and then end user devices have the option of filtering. The word “option” is a key difference. I don’t think we should be forcing everyone to go through these age checks or thinking we can actual ban under-16s or other age groups from sites. There’s no way to do this without forcing everyone through an ID process, which is where a lot…

But sites don't have categories, they almost all have mixed content. Twitter is social media, but is it also a porn site? Well that depends which account you're viewing. And whether your feed is a porn site can vary every single time you view it.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#105

Techno-libertarianism was always a con. I'm convinced it was an information operation organised by enemies of the West to "prep the battlefield" to enable revisionist state aggression against the West in the cognitive domain. We mustn't forget that the Russians claimed that the internet was created by the CIA to attack Russia and steal its resources -- after a Russian clairvoyant told Vladimir Putin she read Madelein…

Delusional Red Scare claptrap. Russia is obviously a geopolitical competitor, and exerts some influence, but its reach is limited by its smaller economy and cultural differences.

The real threat is homegrown authoritarian looters who would spend the whole treasury into their pockets if they could, while constantly tightening the screws on dissent to keep the grift going.

Fortunately you people are losing your grip on power. It won’t be long until you’re entirely evicted, fingers crossed. We’re reaching a societal breaking point and that should result in some kind of phase shift, for better or worse.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#106
post #85

GrapheneOS has released their Android 17 update. Grapheneos has stated that they won't be adding any identity verification or scanning, ever. It's highly usable and has very similar UX to Pixels. I switched from iOS and have found the UI to be better although it's largely the same on stock Pixel. There's over 99% app compatibility and the only failing apps are additional restrictions added by a small subset (less tha…

My bank app works on GrapheneOS FWIW. Not all do, but it's positioning itself as a legitimate secure OS and not some weird shady crap, so I heard some people had success petitioning their banks to allow it. Sometimes they have an OS whitelist to avoid shady or insecure devices (thanks government regulation!), but since GOS is not shady or insecure it just has to be added to the whitelist. Good luck reaching the right…

Yeah two are officially supported based on the list.

https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa...

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#107
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mixed content would have to be tagged as such. Mixed content isn't a problem for broadcast TV or newspapers. They simply avoid publishing material not appropriate for children, e.g. broadcast news programs don't show gore, even when a place has been bombed and is littered with body parts.

Websites mix content far more than TV shows do. Think about the Twitter home page (back when it was Twitter). If someone tweeted something that should be restricted, what do you suggest? Mark the whole page over-18 and effectively ban kids from using Twitter until it falls off the front page? That's ridiculous. Ban people from tweeting over-18 content or hide it from everything except direct links? This is what Twitt…

Kids don't need Twitter.

There would obviously arise a market for a moderated, or more regulated, version of this type of social media.

Social media doesn't deserve an exemption from the efforts society makes to protect children in other domains.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

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post #82
post #40

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> What I don't understand is why parents don't take responsibility for reducing the contact with such harmful products. It's critical mass. I didn't want my 13-year-old daughter on social media, because even 7 years ago we knew the harms. We were firm, and we kept her off it. The problem was that we were attempting to help her with her mental health, but when you're literally the only kid who didn't read the group ch…

Do you think there could be explicitly child-friendly social media? I don't know how you'd get past the network effect, but could it work? Maybe adults would have to set up groups, and connections could only be established with Bluetooth or something to ensure physical proximity (yes you could cheat but you'd need weird hardware or software to do so). Adults setting up groups would be so that you could have a group f…

It'd be fine if they were just using chat apps. It's not the communication that's the problem, or the bullying. That's going to happen regardless, and it's nothing new to online spaces. If anything, having online spaces available is helpful, because kids who are excluded at school are able to find places they fit in online. It's the algorithmic feeds and short-form video content. It's flooding their brains in their most formative time.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#109

I'm back in the UK for a bit and one of the first things I notice besides the infuriating and pointless "Accept Cookies" popups on every webpage is that I can't view half the news about Palestine on Twitter/X without handing over a government ID to prove I'm an adult. No thanks. Please let's find a way to protect children without giving up the right to anonymity on the internet.

I'm not aware of any "right" to anonymity on the internet.

A right to privacy is one of the fundamental human rights.

Re: From Australia to Europe, countries move to curb children's social media access

#110
post #7

In Australia, back in 2021, we had a senior politician run out of politics because a relatively small-time YouTuber just wouldn't shut up about his connections to organised crime. And friendlyjordies house was eventually firebombed by the organised criminals too, so that was interesting. Now obviously one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch [0] but it always struck me as the sort of thing that would ruffle feathe…

While an interesting story I fail to see the connection between it, and the negative impact social media has on children.
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