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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by pacija »

ksec wrote: post #182
radicalbyte wrote: post #175

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I've been so impressed with Ubiquiti that I've decided to target FreeBSD for my current side project. Their camera system is wonderful. Their DreamMachine is a massive upgrade for my home network. Their APs are rock solid, no hassle, just work, and it integrates so well. I have my work / home on different subnets. I have the kids on a different subnet and behind a firewall providing some protection against ads. Very…

>I've been so impressed with Ubiquiti that I've decided to target FreeBSD for my current side project. As much as I wish Ubnt are using BSD in their product, which they are not. I am understanding how FreeBSD relates here.

There's a port of Unifi network controller for both FreeBSD and OpenBSD.

https://www.freshports.org/net-mgmt/unifi10/

https://ports.to/path/net/unifi/main.html

I guess not officially supported but I use them, they work well.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by scheme271 »

rincebrain wrote: post #282
infogulch wrote: post #270

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OpenZFS released the zpool expansion as stable last year. Hopefully QNAP is charting a path to allow their users to migrate from their fork to OpenZFS, though of course these kinds of things take time to develop. I would be really worried if they are diverging further from OpenZFS rather than converging.

Last I looked at their releases of code, they had branched from ZFS before it became OpenZFS, and had a lot of proprietary extensions beyond just the reshaping (from memory, they implemented encryption differently, as one example, and I think they had one or two checksums that I assume were because something they shipped had hardware support for it?) so I wouldn't hold out hope that their goal is to rebase on OpenZFS…

Nah, I doubt they're going to rebase to openzfs. There's too much divergence and I don't see them putting the time to write something that converts their zfs format to openzfs without an extremely good reason.-

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by olavgg »

bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

With NVMe-oF and RDMA I can saturate a 25G link with spinning disks easiliy with around 16 drives.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by slickytail »

Brajeshwar wrote: post #158
exabrial wrote: post #2

Ubiquiti's biggest feature is no monthly recurring cost. I really hope they continue the streak on products like this. Seems like anything else bought up these days is switched to an MRR model with no vision into the long term viability.

The founders being the erstwhile Apple routers team, I believe they are playing the Apple game — sell good quality hardware; free the software that runs the hardware.

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by dingdongditchme »

h4kunamata wrote: post #257

Ubiquiti bubble is so tiring, it is like AI bubble and Apple bubble. These people live within a bubble. Overpriced piece of hardware that you will never own because it runs proprietary firmware, you are forced to install apps to take full advantage from those devices.

I'm in the market for some wifi access points. If Ubiquiti is not so great can you name some alternatives?

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

scheme271 wrote: post #248
throwaway240403 wrote: post #237

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QNAP unforgivably uses a proprietary version of ZFS with their own extensions that are not compatible with mainline OpenZFS. It can only zfs send/receive to other QNAP devices. While your data is protected like any other ZFS system, it is _NOT_ interoperable. You can not take a zpool out of a QNAP system and access it on another system with ZFS. I discovered this painfully the hard way, and won't buy from them again,…

I think the ZFS changes were due to needing a way to allow qnap systems to expand zfs pools. The raidz expansion features in openzfs probably took too long for qnap to wait.

I'll be snide and say it: "OpenZFS" and "stable" rarely belong in the same sentence (even though they seem to have a true 2.2 LTS these days).

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by dingdongditchme »

user3939382 wrote: post #255

I have enough dollars and hours invested with Ubiquiti to have an opinion here. They manage to make performant, capable hardware for a decent price. Then they give you shit configuration tools, a shit configuration experience, vendor lock in, and forced to the cloud. So on balance no thank you per my personal priorities. If you expect cloud and vendor lock in is a plus that you’re accustomed to with other maybe enter…

Any alternatives to recommend?

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Post by consp »

MrDresden wrote: post #286
pharos92 wrote: post #256

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I sold my Unifi APs, they broke DHCP over wifi multiple times. If you can't QA/Test basic 101 features like that, I have zero trust in your security.

What did you replace them with? I am starting to look into alternatives my self as I can see the noose they have around their user's neck's slowly starting to close.

If you are at home and want to do DIY you can put OpenWRT on quite a few of them in case you don't want to sell them or dump them as e-waste.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by consp »

bhouston wrote: post #47

> "Dual 25 Gigabit SFP28 ports and redundant power supplies for resilience" Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives? I've had the hardest time making my TrueNAS ZFS server fast when it was filled with HDD spinning disks. I initially also had 12 of them trying to get maximum speed. I have 128GB RAM and a 10G ethernet connection. I tried all types of optimizations like L2ARC via NVMe, etc, and it w…

> Can you actually saturate the links with the spinning drives?

I can mostly saturate my toy 100gbit link with it on read (to memory, since the other side also needs to not be the problem). Just for as long as it's already in the ZFS cache (which can be huge with in the hundreds GB of ram in servers in general). Not in practice since when you hit the disks you take a massive penalty, but then again, it can be done.

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