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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by dmoose »

naturalmovement wrote: post #223
dmoose wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 7U cabinet in an overhead space that is difficult to access. Installation and configuration were a bit of a headache but ended up being worth it. There was a NAS in the office and they stripped 7 drives, sleds and all, out of it. I'm guessing with such an obvious endpoint for the camera storage it never occurred to anyone there was a second box. I had something like this in mind when I wired the building. It seemed…

> In the future I'm going to add a local battery backed alarm Wait, you have an office full of expensive equipment but decided to half-ass DIY the security? No wonder you were targeted. A proper monitored alarm system would have prevented this. They pretty much all have built-in cellular backup now. Do yourself a favor next time and call a professional. Don't blow your entire budget on cameras then wonder if you need…

You'd think. However, this is a rural area with a sheriffs department that has budget constraints. I know of 2 shops with monitored alarm systems that were successfully robbed over the last 5 years because by the time anyone followed up they were gone.

Your statement that "a proper monitored alarm system would have prevented this" is optimistic. I never had any particular expectation that if somewhat intelligent criminals decided to break in when no one was there that I wasn't going to lose whatever they could get at. The cameras let me document what happened and when and what was taken. If the imagery ends up having any other value that's a bonus rather than the point.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by naturalmovement »

dmoose wrote: post #231
naturalmovement wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the future I'm going to add a local battery backed alarm Wait, you have an office full of expensive equipment but decided to half-ass DIY the security? No wonder you were targeted. A proper monitored alarm system would have prevented this. They pretty much all have built-in cellular backup now. Do yourself a favor next time and call a professional. Don't blow your entire budget on cameras then wonder if you need…

You'd think. However, this is a rural area with a sheriffs department that has budget constraints. I know of 2 shops with monitored alarm systems that were successfully robbed over the last 5 years because by the time anyone followed up they were gone. Your statement that "a proper monitored alarm system would have prevented this" is optimistic. I never had any particular expectation that if somewhat intelligent crim…

Yes sheriff's dept response times can be terrible. But someone could have been there a lot sooner, and it does put pressure on the perpetrators. I would suggest trying to find out why you were targeted, if the establishment was cased beforehand, etc. These crimes are not usually random.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by naturalmovement »

runjake wrote: post #204
close04 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any video surveillance system is foiled by a simple mask. Thieves who know to plan a break-in when you're away usually do their homework and come prepared.

This is why I think someone should market a cheap SIGINT tool that collects BT/BTLE/Wi-Fi data from nearby devices. I've got this setup running on a Raspberry Pi near my front door and it collects all sorts of useful data, even from people walking by on the sidewalk, 30 feet and two walls away. At some point, I'd love to explore vehicle emissions more, too.

Uh hello police department?

I have MAC addresses!

M-A-C...

Yes, I sniff them out the air with equipment I built!

Uh no I'm not on drugs why do you ask?

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by bombcar »

multjoy wrote: post #208
dmoose wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 7U cabinet in an overhead space that is difficult to access. Installation and configuration were a bit of a headache but ended up being worth it. There was a NAS in the office and they stripped 7 drives, sleds and all, out of it. I'm guessing with such an obvious endpoint for the camera storage it never occurred to anyone there was a second box. I had something like this in mind when I wired the building. It seemed…

I have found that the fog generating alarm systems are the ones that will stop burglars in their tracks. If they can't see, they're not going to hang about and if they've tooled up with NV then that's a whole different threat model.

You need to add the dobermans - the old fog&dog gets 'em every time.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by br0ceph »

radicalbyte wrote: post #196
ksec wrote: post #182

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>I've been so impressed with Ubiquiti that I've decided to target FreeBSD for my current side project. As much as I wish Ubnt are using BSD in their product, which they are not. I am understanding how FreeBSD relates here.

An assumption, I made. Failed, it was.

I always advise ppl against ubiquiti devices. They are not open at all, its yet another proprietary router/switch/wifi/nas/etc

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by throwaway240403 »

elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

QNAP unforgivably uses a proprietary version of ZFS with their own extensions that are not compatible with mainline OpenZFS. It can only zfs send/receive to other QNAP devices. While your data is protected like any other ZFS system, it is _NOT_ interoperable. You can not take a zpool out of a QNAP system and access it on another system with ZFS. I discovered this painfully the hard way, and won't buy from them again, unless I plan to wipe the software and run something open.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by TacticalCoder »

multjoy wrote: post #208
dmoose wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 7U cabinet in an overhead space that is difficult to access. Installation and configuration were a bit of a headache but ended up being worth it. There was a NAS in the office and they stripped 7 drives, sleds and all, out of it. I'm guessing with such an obvious endpoint for the camera storage it never occurred to anyone there was a second box. I had something like this in mind when I wired the building. It seemed…

I have found that the fog generating alarm systems are the ones that will stop burglars in their tracks. If they can't see, they're not going to hang about and if they've tooled up with NV then that's a whole different threat model.

> I have found that the fog generating alarm systems are the ones that will stop burglars in their tracks.

We have one of those at our vacation home (well it's more than a vacation home: I used to live there but it's now house we use for vacation, several times a year but anyways...).

We've got that system connected to the alarm. It's amazing and the system did evolve: in the early days the fog had to be projected in the middle of the room or it'd leave traces on the walls. Now it's a fog that doesn't leave any trace anymore.

The reason it works so well it's that it means: "Now you cannot see jack shit and in a few minutes the police is going to be there".

It kicked in once: the bad people quickly left.

> If they can't see, they're not going to hang about ...

No indeed...

> and if they've tooled up with NV then that's a whole different threat model.

In my case the alarm is still there and if the company monitoring the alarm system tells the police "there are people dressed up like it's war with night-vision system", then they'll take it even more seriously.

I've had a house without my alarm on (because kid had a medical emergency and was between life and death: I left in a hurry and forgot to turn the alarm on) visited by burglars and it ain't a fun thing.

I highly recommend alarm systems that generate a fog. It's a wonderful thing.

And that fog doesn't last too long: by the time your back at your home, it's like the would-be-thieves: gone.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by KennyBlanken »

simonjgreen wrote: post #167

“Enterprise” First hand experience many times over: there is little more regrettable than placing Ubiquitis latest test-it-in-prod release in to an Enterprise setting.

https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=ubiquiti

Yeah, that's the kind of people you want to be running your company's storage appliance.

Tons of those are pretty basic web security stuff. Nearly as bad as TP-Link, a bargain-basement brand.

Compare and contrast:

https://app.opencve.io/cve/?vendor=freenas

https://app.opencve.io/cve/?q=vendor%3Aproxmox

Proxmox's record in 2025 wasn't particularly great but it's a hell of a lot better than Ubiquiti's. And before someone starts complaining that it's not a fair comparison because Ubiquiti has so many more products: they have a unified OS and management tools. They also have orders of magnitude more revenue and can afford far more in engineering resources.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by throwaway240403 »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #70
elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

> QNAP supports ZFS filesystems Do they have ecc on those models? Do you have an example model on hand?

Don't buy a QNAP if you care about real ZFS. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48593360
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