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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by econ »

noisy_boy wrote: post #405
fluffybucktsnek wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless your hardware is exotic (or actively anti-consumer), most devices are well supported. If you wouldn't mind, what issues did you have recently?

I bought the Lenovo's proprietary Ethernet adapter from Lenovo directly for my Thinkpad X1 Extreme because I wanted to keep a USB-C port free. It didn't work at all under Fedora. A third-party USB-C to Ethernet adapter I bought works flawlessly. If Lenovo's own adapter doesn't work on one of the most well supported product lines on Linux, that is not a good look. To be very clear, I am a long time Linux user and most…

I remember handing an Ethernet cable to a friend and he said I was getting old. His laptop didn't have Ethernet! I still haven't recovered from the realisation.

My [old] laptop had a a card reader, hdmi, vga, a serial port and rows of usb2 ports, a plug for power, headphone jack etc etc

Back at his place he showed me the USB hub and the Rube Goldberg dongle collection. I said, ahh there you have all those connectors you didn't need.

I now think USB is magic. Not wanting to use it for everything means you are getting old. The future is a desk full of dongles.

https://resolume.com/forum/download/file.php?id=5430&mode=vi...

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by annzabelle »

int_19h wrote: post #411
9x39 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Why, exactly, would a forced change of habits be for my own good? At the personal level, it wouldn't be. It makes a lot of sense, and I do the same with Fastmail. At the corp level where it's often in M365 cloud, you've got hard limits from Microsoft on one hand (100GB primary mailbox - period), and corporate data retention limits on the other. Legal often has strong opinions on how long you are allowed to retain em…

I don't recall any kind of retention limits at Microsoft, at least not for engineers. My mail archives went all the way back to my hire date even 15 years later.

When I worked at Capital One there was a policy of automatically deleting everything that had not been subpoenaed as soon as it was legal to delete it. Usually 3 years or so. Retaining longer was viewed as creating legal risk for future lawsuits. They didn't want to leave evidence lying around if they could help it.

Edit: We were on GSuite.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by davely »

econ wrote: post #421
noisy_boy wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought the Lenovo's proprietary Ethernet adapter from Lenovo directly for my Thinkpad X1 Extreme because I wanted to keep a USB-C port free. It didn't work at all under Fedora. A third-party USB-C to Ethernet adapter I bought works flawlessly. If Lenovo's own adapter doesn't work on one of the most well supported product lines on Linux, that is not a good look. To be very clear, I am a long time Linux user and most…

I remember handing an Ethernet cable to a friend and he said I was getting old. His laptop didn't have Ethernet! I still haven't recovered from the realisation. My [old] laptop had a a card reader, hdmi, vga, a serial port and rows of usb2 ports, a plug for power, headphone jack etc etc Back at his place he showed me the USB hub and the Rube Goldberg dongle collection. I said, ahh there you have all those connectors…

Excuse me! I hide them in a rats nest under my desk like a civilized person.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zchrykng wrote: post #301
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #108

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> Got an example of a well-implemented natice app for email? Mail.app isn't total shit. It's not great. But it doesn't fumble the basics, like Outlook for Mac, which thinks it's fine to take like 10s to show me my inbox.

Mail.app's search is completely and utterly broken in my experience on Macs and on iPhones.

Oh yeah. For search I open the browser, usually. But 99% of the time it works without taking a European Commission session to load.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by bee_rider »

raincole wrote: post #351
modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

I don’t know if Linux has improved a lot in the last few years. I’ll observe, though, that it always feels like it has for the first few years you use it, since it becomes intuitive and natural.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by fho »

modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

I have some fond memories of getting into computers around 2000. Building PCs, installing Windows, re-installing Windows ever so often.

At some point Windows just crashed and couldn't be brought back to life, straight up refused to be installed on that disk again.

(Funfact: the crash happened while playing some opensource sci-fi game... Produced by Microsoft)

I had a Gentoo Linux partition back then thanks to a friend from school and used that for everything from that point on.

Interestingly I never really had major issues. Running Warcraft 3 on Gentoo, writing my thesis (theseses actually) on Ubuntu and later switching to Arch Linux just worked.

I still remember switching to Gnome 3 (from KDE) and being impressed by how fast the Shell felt.

...

Fast forward to two years ago and I am forced to use Windows for the first time in 20+ years, in a locked down corporate setting nonetheless.

... what a hot mess :-)

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Suppafly »

raincole wrote: post #351
modriano wrote: post #288

Up until 2019, Windows was my daily driver and had been for the prior ~20. years. I had been regularly ssh-ing into Linux machines, but it didn't seem like a place I could live. Then, in 2019, I built a PC and, wanting to get more proficient in Linux environments, I made it a dual boot setup with a Ubuntu desktop partition and a Windows partition, expecting I'd inevitably get frustrated on the Linux partition by side…

> It has been polished and ready since at least 2019. Linux people said things like this in 2019 too. It's always "been improved a lot in the past few years" (not saying this statement can't be true.) At this point I'm convinced that no matter how much or little Linux desktop is improved, its market share is solely dependent on how much Microsoft fucked up.

>Linux people said things like this in 2019 too.

They've been saying it since it was competing with Windows XP at least.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by blackoil »

noisy_boy wrote: post #408
vladvasiliu wrote: post #63

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IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me. I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job w…

That is terribly hobbled. Examples: 1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook. 2. You have no option of deleting an entry in your calendar without sending a decline. I am in many groups and sometimes just want to clean up my calendar without sending declines. Again, very much present in the nat…

> after a weekend reboot

Isn't new outlook lives in the cloud? So this shouldn't be a usecase.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by akimbostrawman »

shevy-java wrote: post #97

Win11 may be the best thing for Linux. After all, people who are pissed by Win11 may eventually change operating systems. Now if only Linux were to offer a useful GUI ...

>Now if only Linux were to offer a useful GUI ...

Tell me you have only used gnome without telling me

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