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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by UltraSane »

statuslover9000 wrote: post #232
kxxx wrote: post #45

https://old.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1u8xc9m/most_l... Seems like there are some insights here! edit: it seems the post has been removed but comments are viewable. 1 liner summary: To put it lightly, the dude was politically outspoken and held strong beliefs.

Shazeer is an aggressive Zionist, and while Altman is better at reading the room, he has previously aligned himself with Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/openais-sam-altman-says-israel...

What does Zionist mean when Israel has existed as a Jewish state for 78 years? I'm genuinely asking because the way the word is used doesn't make sense to me. There aren't similar terms for other countries to just stay the same, like for China to keep being run by the CCP. Every other country is assumed to have ontological inertia except for Israel.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tedd4u »

efficax wrote: post #107
karmasimida wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is close or already a billionaire, not sure much more money will be do much heavy-lifting

you'd be surprised! people seem to have a limitless appetite for that money stuff. they just can't get enough of it, i've found

I know some pretty wealthy people. They are very aware of those who are 10x wealthier than them. If Noam has 1B, he is probably pretty aware of those that have 10B. He's met them and seen their properties, scope, and powers. Likewise, they are thinking about those that have 100B, and those are thinking about Elon, who now has "four commas."

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tedd4u »

busymom0 wrote: post #79
gniv wrote: post #10

Wow. What could possibly have caused him to quit so soon after coming back? I hope this is not accurate but I'm afraid it is: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273

This reads like an episode of Silicon Valley. I wish that show was rebooted, they'd have so much funny material nowadays.

Three comma guy would now be four comma guy

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by busymom0 »

tedd4u wrote: post #253
busymom0 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like an episode of Silicon Valley. I wish that show was rebooted, they'd have so much funny material nowadays.

Three comma guy would now be four comma guy

Wonder what the modern version of the hotdog app would be?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by swader999 »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #196
swader999 wrote: post #182

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Won't they get those fees back if dismissed or if the plaintiff doesn't prevail?

My understanding is that this is generally not the case in the US.

That would explain much. I'm not a USA citizen.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by anon_shill »

dang wrote: post #249
SiempreViernes wrote: post #154

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> Using what team members would later describe with words like “magic” and “alchemy” and “bells and whistles,” Ok, these peopl have all gotten extensive training on how to hype for the non-technical crowd without saying anything of substance.

" Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Does that apply to quotes from an article? They seemed to be criticizing a second or third degree source for being PR, which feels fair.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by dekhn »

HardCodedBias wrote: post #128

Huge blow to Google. I doubt that the money had anything to do with it. I also doubt that the state of the technology at OAI vs. Google had much to do with it, Google is behind no doubt, but the gap is not as far as we know, insurmountable. I suspect that this is a leadership clash. Noam was working in GDM. GDM somehow went away from coding and RSI into "world models" and that has played out very poorly. Who made tha…

It's entirely possible he got in a flame war over political issues with other Googlers and Google asked him to leave.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by dang »

anon_shill wrote: post #256
dang wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Does that apply to quotes from an article? They seemed to be criticizing a second or third degree source for being PR, which feels fair.

Yes, in the sense that if there's nothing interesting to say about a quote then there's no reason to copy it into the thread.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by nrds »

dang wrote: post #258
anon_shill wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that apply to quotes from an article? They seemed to be criticizing a second or third degree source for being PR, which feels fair.

Yes, in the sense that if there's nothing interesting to say about a quote then there's no reason to copy it into the thread.

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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

dabbz wrote: post #102
Insanity wrote: post #11

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Don't think it matters in the long run to be honest. The models have no moat, they are becoming a commodity. Besides that, Google is in a pretty good position, they're not bleeding money on AI like Anthropic/OpenAI, and they own product verticals where they can integrate it. Plus they have a mature ads-model which is what might actually drive a bit of revenue for LLMs.

I feel like the models have no moat paradigm died when a single model expanded past the memory of single GPU slices. The moat is hosting the model. Even paying a server host to run a rack of GPUs has immense upstart cost, and then you're still struggling to compete on the add-ons of the things on top of the model (prompts, validation loops, etc). You can only throw so much money at a problem.

Many different companies host the open source models. Where's the moat there?
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