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Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by KetoManx64 »

close04 wrote: post #89
revnode wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been at this for a while. They do have offerings you subscribe for and pay monthly. They have also consistently offered an option for each of those offerings to bring your own or self host. They've earned my trust.

Recently they removed the option to take certain types of backup locally (for the Network app). Now it only does it to the cloud, for those who allow this. It’s these small things that make me cautiously pessimistic that long term Ubiquity won’t pull the rug from under the customers. Once you invest thousands in network equipment or cameras you’re less likely to jump ship when they start sneaking things in. And this…

They would be shooting themselves in the foot in the long term. I was surprised to learn that Ubiquiti is a publicly traded company, but also the CEO and founder owns the mass majority of the shares, so he is not beholden by shareholders wanting to enshittify the company for the same of increased stock prices.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by js2 »

fragmede wrote: post #10
tristor wrote: post #3

I am highly interested in this, especially if it works well with Time Machine to do backups over the network. I've got a fully 10GbE + WiFi 7 network w/ Ubiquiti gear already, would love to ditch my janky DIY NAS setup for something that is integrated with the rest and could potentially give me a better backup setup for my photography as well as enough storage to act as a media server.

Wireless Time Machine backup works until one day, Time Machine decides to shit the bed. Do not trust it. Invest in a different backup solution if your data is at all important to you. Something like Arq or Backblaze or tarsnap.

I hear this sentiment a lot, but I've not had a problem with Time Machine in years across multiple MacBooks in my household. Backing up to TrueNAS. Unifi networking. It Just Works.

I just checked any my oldest TM backup for the MacBook from which I'm typing is 2023-09-14. This MacBook has a 2 TB SSD and I have the TM volume quota set to 3 TB. TM culls old backups as needed.

The TM GUI is still terrible, but you can use `tmutil listbackups` to easily access backups from the command line.

I also use Arq to B2.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by lostlogin »

mpeg wrote: post #37
kyrra wrote: post #21

Store page: https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/network-storage/products... $3999

That seems reasonable, I don't buy NAS for datacenters (just run a modest 80tb one for my home lab) but equivalent rackmount 16-bay ones from other vendors would be more expensive (maybe $5k-6k?) and with less polish.

> a modest 80tb one for my home lab

I laughed.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by throwaway219450 »

sussexby wrote: post #51
elevation wrote: post #38

I'm glad to see UBNT in this space. I've always used ZFS because it's vastly superior to other options. When I see storage companies building without fault tolerance, or without a merkle tree (so that you can backup deltas efficiently without having to recompute them) it's a sign their marketing team has more influence over the company than their engineers. Sadly, the few ZFS COTS options have been somewhat underpowe…

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

I do like the onboard AI, and it works well for entity detection (like people). We haven't found the face detection to be very reliable in outdoor security applications. There doesn't seem to be a way to correct/combine classes if someone's detected as multiple individuals on different occasions, so we end up with the same person detected as 5 "unknown"s. This is not a hard problem to solve. You'd just allow embedding matching to different face groups, but it's annoying as a user.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by projektfu »

infecto wrote: post #97
sussexby wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

The cost is just insane though. $4-$500 for a camera that I can get equivalent specs for $50-100.

They're not all $500, some are $150-300. Overall price comparable to Honeywell, but more than, say, Lorex.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by InTheArena »

Avicebron wrote: post #82
eptcyka wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I use it without running some inane management VM?

Genuine question, if you're running unifi, why don't you want the management vm? Synology makes a decent NAS without the controller.

Synology hardware stopped being decent a while ago.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by throwaway219450 »

infecto wrote: post #97
sussexby wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same is true for our AI processing on the cameras. This is entirely local and private. You can even air gap the UniFi Protect system from the Internet and it'll operate fine.

The cost is just insane though. $4-$500 for a camera that I can get equivalent specs for $50-100.

All the basic G6 cameras are in the $200 range and have edge compute?

What's the comparison at $50-100?

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by InTheArena »

sgarland wrote: post #64

I was literally looking today to see if there was any news on this, because it’s been widely assumed that they’d release it. $4000 is… a lot. I can buy a used CSE-846 for about 1/4 of that, an X10–era mobo for a few hundred bucks, and have 1.5x the bays (tbf, also 4U instead of 3U). Managing ZFS is just not that hard; it’s not Ceph. If you want easy mode, throw TrueNAS on it, and you’ll get an awesome UX that abstrac…

This is not a homelab replacement part. It’s enterprise with all the positive and negatives that come with that phrase. The second you start talking about old X hardware, it’s a different product class.

For that use case I recommend UNas from ugreen or the minis forum ryzen Ai stuff.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by InTheArena »

tedd4u wrote: post #86
tristor wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the 3-2-1 strategy for backups. I keep one copy off-site by using cloud backups, currently I primarily use Backblaze for that purpose but am considering alternatives for several reasons. I keep a second copy on an external SSD via Time Machine, and I keep one copy on-device. I'd like to use network Time Machine to get rid of the inconvenience of having a bunch of USB external SSDs floating around, especially si…

A 2-drive Synology (e.g. DS225+) in RAID 0 or RAID 1 works fine for this, for 90% less than this beast. Synology documented their optimal settings for Time Machine a couple years ago, too. Hope this is helpful. [1] [1] https://kb.synology.com/en-us/DSM/tutorial/How_to_back_up_fi...

Or if you want something from a vendor butting running decade old hardware configs and trying to lock people into their drive ecosystem, UNas or many other options.

Stay away from synology.

Re: Ubiquiti: Enterprise NAS, Built on ZFS

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Post by paisawalla »

sgarland wrote: post #64

I was literally looking today to see if there was any news on this, because it’s been widely assumed that they’d release it. $4000 is… a lot. I can buy a used CSE-846 for about 1/4 of that, an X10–era mobo for a few hundred bucks, and have 1.5x the bays (tbf, also 4U instead of 3U). Managing ZFS is just not that hard; it’s not Ceph. If you want easy mode, throw TrueNAS on it, and you’ll get an awesome UX that abstrac…

I recently bought a used Dell R240 and 4x 20TB for less than this. From TechmikeNY if anyone's interested.
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