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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by qwerpy »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #120
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #73

Decisions of a company with no competition.

I like that many of the people the agree with this live in California and are or assume to be happy with complete one-party rule.

It's not so bad here in Orange County. City/county politics are more balanced and provide pretty good counterweights to the state party. It's much better than the Seattle area, which truly has uniparty rule and it shows. People are less civil and tolerant there, crime and schools are worse, quality of life is lower.

I agree with the parent comment though. MS just doesn't have meaningful competition for Windows and Office, and the terrible software quality/experience is what we get.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by criddell »

froindt wrote: post #137
criddell wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like something is wrong with your system. My work machine runs Windows 11 and it's fully up to date. Notepad starts pretty much instantly.

The best demonstration of the delay is typing Calc in the Win+R Run dialog. There's a difference between instant and "way faster than Word". On Windows 7, you could hit enter and immediately start typing numbers and it would work. I have never worked on a Windows 10 or 11 machine where it launches instantly. I get a similar lag when launching Notepad. Not a huge disruption to the day, but annoying to see on a simple…

That one is a little slower for me too - about 700 ms (it's a difficult thing to time with a stopwatch).

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by ksec »

That is why I said the 2x improvement about Webview they said earlier doesn't matter. And I believe the 10sec already accounted for the 2x improvements.

>the new Outlook uses between 490 MB and 636 MB of RAM while idle, with individual sessions varying based on mailbox size. Outlook Classic, doing the same job, uses around 117 MB to 148 MB at idle. A roughly fourfold difference.

In the old days, we would have cried about 150MB memory usage idle as being bloat. Why isn't it 30 to 60MB. Now 150MB is still so much better than 600MB.

I am not sure if Native will ever win. I do wonder if we could somehow make webview, or may be a subset of webview that is as fast as native.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by bel8 »

someguyiguess wrote: post #138
projektfu wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully, that has improved, but there's still a weird bug where multiple instances of the calculator will spawn for no reason at all.

The calculator in Windows 11 still takes several seconds to load for me.

Instant for me but I have a beefy CPU Ryzen 9800X3D and some crazy nvme.

And most important: no corporate spyware disguised as anti-virus, in this machine.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by SoftTalker »

hylaride wrote: post #129
herbst wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was the last time they did? Buying existing companies does not count

Active Directory and MS SQL Server are both solid products, as is .NET. The windows NT kernel is very well thought out, too. The last iteration of windows phone was quite good, if too little too late. Don't get me wrong, MS will enshitify anything it can to make a quick buck. They're much like Disney in that regard.

SQL Server is a fork of Sybase. Not a MS invention.

Active Directory is probably based on someone's LDAP server, though I don't know for sure.

.NET is a copy of Java

NT kernel is good, thank Digital/Dave Cutler for that.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Twirrim »

patates wrote: post #8

> Outlook is based on WebView2, and like all web apps, it’s slow Fastmail also has a web based email client, which is as fast as (if not faster than) Outlook Classic. The new Outlook is just bad. Load order is wrong, it renders everything on every window, loads unnecessary data, etc. Plain annoying.

Gmail used to offer a low bandwidth / performance webmail interface, that was essentially their original UI. Ran like greased lightning, used barely any memory. Emails loaded almost instantly.

It was nice while it lasted.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by vachina »

ngc248 wrote: post #121
Plasmoid2000ad wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lot's of enterprises are enabling whitelisting of apps launching using some sort of tooling - I think Microsoft provides one, and CrowdStrike etc. It's likely the delay involves a call to a backend application or even sometimes a web server. This would be on top of real-time scanning of every file before it's opened.

True ... my company recently started deploying endpoint protection like crowdstrike, beyondtrust, zscalet onto our macs and these have slowed my machine considerably. They somehow spike the CPU just when I am doing something important.

Those are basically spyware hooked to every system call.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by vachina »

beart wrote: post #25
netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

As slow as Windows is (very), once you start adding the corporate security tools on top of it (Crowdstrike) and have to deal with a slow and buggy corporate DNS system, it just becomes unusable. The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.

Yeh. The unix VNC session I connect to is snappier than the client host it is running on.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

beart wrote: post #25
netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

As slow as Windows is (very), once you start adding the corporate security tools on top of it (Crowdstrike) and have to deal with a slow and buggy corporate DNS system, it just becomes unusable. The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.

> The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.

There's your mistake, if do it faster, you're going to get more work assigned. If you do it as Windows speed you get to do less work. Same money.

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