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Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by navigate8310 »

stackskipton wrote: post #56
nzoschke wrote: post #36

Genuinely curious how quality is so poor at MS. Tech debt and deadlines and red tape? This is the company that invented the term dogfooding and forced everyone to use Exchange until all the bugs were worked out. I’m building a next gen web mail app at work and there are a ton of UX edge cases but the performance of the core UI is not rocket science. I’m looking for help play testing to squash bugs, improve the last m…

I clicked, saw this "The email app with its own AI agent" and closed. Another "Let's shove AI into something". Outlook already provides me this, it's terrible at it since context is key and context is probably buried in several places it has access to and despite that access, it still falls flat.

I hate this type of disguised ad paired with a running commentary on important issues.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

It's really hard to understand how these trillion dollar companies somehow can't afford to maintain quality apps. Seems every new Office release makes things worse. I assume the WebView2 makes things a little easier for devs but how much are they really saving at the expense of quality? And I have no idea what the product managers are doing. They are certainly not thinking about improving the product. The new Outlook and Teams feel like they are being hacked together by a bunch of interns that are trying out Scrum.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by lawlorino »

SoKamil wrote: post #31

Outlook for Mac is surprisingly good, though. Every interaction feels (and is) native. Kudos to the team. I think this is same team that maintains Office Suite for Mac. I hope to see Teams for Mac in the future. Current Teams app is dogshit.

Are we talking about the same Outlook here? And I mean that sincerely. I just joined a new company and now have to use MS software for the first time since Windows 7. Outlook, Teams, OneDrive, you name it, are all a clunky mess (at least on MacOs).

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by trinix912 »

sznio wrote: post #76
zkmon wrote: post #44

Just a classic example of bloating degradation that happens to any software which has saturated all basic needs decades ago. The issue is, as the product continues to generate revenue, the product team continues to get funding and they are forced to add bloat as new features. Same with security and compliance standards at companies. You keep pouring more money, and you keep getting more fort walls and dungeons, witho…

and now you can use AI to create even more unnecessary features even quicker. i think that having teams for each product is an antipattern. if the team was purely a "mail task force", the workers could be placed to work on Exchange or the Azure related bullshit. But now, the Outlook team has to constantly create unnecessary work for itself.

From my experience using Outlook, they could keep the Outlook team for bugfixes only and still have enough work for the next 5 years just improving/fixing the classic version.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by Plasmoid2000ad »

netsharc wrote: post #5

Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program). Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...

Lot's of enterprises are enabling whitelisting of apps launching using some sort of tooling - I think Microsoft provides one, and CrowdStrike etc. It's likely the delay involves a call to a backend application or even sometimes a web server. This would be on top of real-time scanning of every file before it's opened.

Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly

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Post by lbriner »

They have enough employees to build native apps that run super quick but are still seduced by the web portability argument which, as we all know, is mostly untrue even now and which introduces all kinds of non-deterministic latencies/errors, which cannot all be handled neatly.

To be honest, this is the same in almost all apps that have any more than 10 developers working on them (my estimate!). Death by dependencies and a lack of coherent design.

As someone else said, though, some things like fastmail work OK in the browser so it is possible.

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