The Outlook web app breaks browser navigation, I thought we had that figured out in SPAs like, more than a decade ago. But it does load almost-instantly (less than a second) so that's nice at least.
Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
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Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#42Similar one about WhatsApp on Windows. What a shitshow.
https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/06/13/whatsapp-is-eating-...
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another way to say tenth of a second is 100,000,000 nanoseconds. We have 4GHz computers with 8-16 cores, and it takes 100,000,000 cycles to show the start menu? Edit: Corrected the scale factor.
Another way (which happens to be correct) to say tenth of a second is 100 000 000 (one hundred million) nanoseconds. You were off by a factor of 1000!
Yeah, I skipped microseconds entirely.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#44Just a classic example of bloating degradation that happens to any software which has saturated all basic needs decades ago.
The issue is, as the product continues to generate revenue, the product team continues to get funding and they are forced to add bloat as new features.
Same with security and compliance standards at companies. You keep pouring more money, and you keep getting more fort walls and dungeons, without any regard to productivity and performance impact.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Fastmail client is good when it's up and running, but not as good as well-implemented native apps. The initial startup is much slower, and the iOS / iPadOS app (which is the same webapp iirc) is pretty bug-ridden, with the webview freezing or app not progressing past the loading animation without a close swipe / reopen.
You can definitely make a webview app that starts as quickly as most native thing (sub-1s start). We used Tauri and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
That's a pretty simple view of native app vs web. Web will always have a lot of baggage that native apps simply won't have, layers and layers of abstractions that still needs to load.
It's true that a blank canvas loaded as a web view will start fast, though. But in practice, when web applications grow - performance tends to take a hit, and the developers also tend to be careless with resources.
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#46They so screwed Outlook. The stupid thing refuses to respond after switching to a diff network or SSID till it’s completed some synchronization of some kind. The stupid app refuses to come into focus. I really don’t need the freshest view at once. Maybe I just need to look at an open email you dog of an app! Why did they castrate Outlook? Does MS hate itself? What in the name of shit are they thinking? Who does this…
What I don't understand is why search is so broken.
If I do a search of my inbox with a lot of results, it gets lazy-loaded. Fair enough. But why, when I scroll to the bottom and it loads the new batch of email, does the view need to jump back to the top of the list?
Why has Gmail been able to recognize and properly group/deduplicate prior conversations in top-posted email threads for 20 years, but Outlook can't bother? That also breaks search, since every email with the result somewhere in its body (even prior emails) will appear.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#47> like all web apps, it’s slow No, that's a very uninformed take, and contradicted on two fronts: 1. Microsoft's other native apps have gotten unusably slow lately, too. 2. There's definitely plenty of fast web apps. I don't mind snark, but make it factually accurate. This is just Microsoft's poor strategic decision to try to drive as many as possible to Linux. Hell, weren't they bragging recently about managing to m…
Web apps tend to be a mixed bag. After a while they become slow because of dozens of async operations relying on network.
That can be an issue for native apps too, but they tend to be designed in a local-first manner, which means that they'll always have a speed advantage, assuming your typical dev team.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#48Everything this company touches is shit. Unbearable.
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#49The Outlook web app breaks browser navigation, I thought we had that figured out in SPAs like, more than a decade ago. But it does load almost-instantly (less than a second) so that's nice at least.
Where does it break nav? Honest question, because I have been living inside it for almost 7 years now and actually prefer it to any of the desktop clients (except on the Mac).
Re: Microsoft new Outlook takes 10 seconds to do what Outlook Classic does instantly
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another way to say tenth of a second is 100,000,000 nanoseconds. We have 4GHz computers with 8-16 cores, and it takes 100,000,000 cycles to show the start menu? Edit: Corrected the scale factor.
Another way (which happens to be correct) to say tenth of a second is 100 000 000 (one hundred million) nanoseconds. You were off by a factor of 1000!
Also, at a typical turbo speed of 5 GHz you get half a billion clock cycles and multiple instructions can be retired per clock for about one or two billion total in those 100ms.
That’s about 1,000 instructions per pixel of the Start Menu!