Live data from Hacker News

Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

realtor.com

251–260 of 550 posts

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#251
post #141

[flagged]

I count 23 instances of invective language or politicisation in that HUD statement, and that’s to say nothing of the supposed data behind this. How about blame wealth extraction by the 0.01% before going after the out group that’s clearly working more than the average and paying taxes?

[dead]

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my neck of the woods (New England), home prices have doubled since March of 2020. I have yet to read a comprehensive overview of how this happened and how we get out of it. Of course, people went nuts offering over the asking price when interest rates were super low so I understand, to some degree, that baselines were reset. But the current housing market doesn't feel sustainable. I don't understand how a proper m…

It is very simple. Housing is not built.

The price of homes has drastically gone up even in some communities around the world where no housing is being built because there is no demand for it; the given region is experiencing severe depopulation as everyone leaves for the faraway big city, except for a few elderly holdouts. Yet owners feel some kind of pressure to keep their asking prices high. To me, that means the situation is far from simple.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#253
post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to assume ignorance and try to explain why landlords exist. Of course you could already understand this and have this as an ideological stance, in which case my effort is likely wasted. Landlords assume a similar role in economy that banks do, they assume risk on your belalf. We have quantified this to an extent that you can reliably put a dollar amount on how much risk there is. When you are renting and th…

When ownership shows up at zoning meetings, the main risk they seem to be concerned about is accidentally letting someone build enough housing. Heaven forbid!

Anecdata here but I'm a landlord in an area with low 10s of thousands of residents and low 100s of rental units. I absolutely do not care about new housing being built, other than encouraging it because economic development of the town is good for everyone.

My neighbors, the homeowners who don't rent, are typically on the other side. And it's not unreasonable to want to keep SFH neighborhoods predominantly SFH.

My main risks have have absolutely nothing to do with more housing. It's more physical risk to the property and depreciation.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#254
post #167
post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to assume ignorance and try to explain why landlords exist. Of course you could already understand this and have this as an ideological stance, in which case my effort is likely wasted. Landlords assume a similar role in economy that banks do, they assume risk on your belalf. We have quantified this to an extent that you can reliably put a dollar amount on how much risk there is. When you are renting and th…

Those same landlords also control many of the levers that might cause their investment to be less profitable.

Definitely

This is why strong regulation is important.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#255
post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also depends on how hot the housing market is at any given time. Often time a realtor is just someone who decided everything else was too much work. (My whole family has been in the business for almost 70 years, both commercial and residential.)

I'm sure some do more, but my personal experience on the sales side is that realtors do nothing except serve as gatekeepers to get your house listed in the local MLS. Then they show up at closing to collect their commission. On the buying side, they do more such as drive prospective buyers around to look at houses, though it's been long enough since I bought a house that I don't know how much virtual tours have repla…

It is "work" in the sense that you can be busy doing things. Nothing is difficult by any reasonable sense of the word. All the realtors I know who are actually successful are constantly busy, constantly taking phone calls or responding to texts, there's very little downtime. I'm sure there's some nuance to it, and it probably helps to be in the business for a long time, but it's a backup job for 99% of people for a reason.

I've bought and sold a handful of properties in a couple states through my life and have dealt with probably 2 dozen realtors in some professional capacity, and only 1 has been what I would call "good" and that was basically just him giving us insight into the market, being willing to tell us not to buy a house because it wouldn't fit our needs 5 years in the future, etc. Basically just willing to sacrifice a faster or larger commission to get us what we wanted rather than just closing a deal ASAP, which IMO should be the minimum and not the mark of a "good" realtor.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realtors don’t own the houses.

Not usually. But homeowners don't usually set the price themselves. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, technically they can. But a _realtor_ is in their ear telling them MORE MORE MORE.

A good realtor should help the seller set a realistic price. Because if the house doesn't appraise for the selling price or more, the deal will fall apart before closing.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Landlords do not create apartment buildings. Developers do that. Developers should get more reward for developing things and landlords should get less. Landlords do not manage properties. Property managers do that. Property managers should get more reward for managing properties and landlords should get less. Sometimes these are the same individuals and they lump their fees into a single check, but these are not the…

> Developers should get more reward From who? Someone has to pay them to do the development, right?

Yeah the people who live there

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#258
post #45

Again seeing some blaming poor immigrants for this in the very first answers. Meanwhile, where do the money for OpenAI and the SpaceX IPO comes from? Who got hold of so much money? How did they got hold of it? And here's the killer question: would they, and the rules and system supporting them, change in any way if there were less immigrants?

No amount of money will help jurisdictions that still refuse to permit new buildings in face of a constant influx of people. You cannot live in Musk's banking account. You have to have the actual physical structure, and current laws in hotspots like San Francisco and New York do their utmost to prevent new development. Places like Austin, which are less restrictive, don't have this problem.

But even if/when the law finally allows more building, you will have to compete with a richer, and richer, and richer upper-upper-upper class - both people and firms - who will price you out.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is very simple. Housing is not built.

I think there is another element, private equity (PE) has got involved in the housing market, and like anything that PE gets involved with it burns it to the ground and then exits with it's profit leaving behind a wasteland. PE equity will do anything to get their profit no matter who it hurts

Private equity owns about 500,000 homes nationwide, so like less than a half of a percent.

Anyway they got into the housing market because the margins are so good because everybody refuses to allow new housing to be built. Congratulations, you played yourselves.

Re: Wages in America Are Too Low for the 30% Rule to Work for Renters Anymore

#260

The problem is absolutley that housing is too expensive, which of course a bunch of realtors are not going to point out. Increasing wages will not fix the housing crisis, and will just drive prices higher. How convenient for a bunch of realtors...

Yea, "We currently have 10 houses renting at $2500 for 15 people who have $2000 to spend on rent. WHAT IF, we gave those 15 people $2500 instead. Housing crisis solved?" -This article...basically.

Yes, might as well just give those $2500 to the landlords directly and skip the middle-man. It reads like a joke.
Post reply on HN