US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks

Post by inigyou » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 3:23 AM UTC

ge96 wrote: post #260

WarmWash wrote: post #106

If Chinese LLMs are successfully making people in the west defend China, then I think we have all the evidence we need to explain why they are giving away their models. The next step of course will be to get people using that ungodly cheap AI on Chinese servers. Which will also be defended because "I would never trust an American Lab".

If they had encrypted LLM compute then in theory wouldn't matter who/what is running it

Post by inigyou » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 3:25 AM UTC

WarmWash wrote: post #203

mft_ wrote: post #194

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In your take, why are they producing and giving away such good local models? Mindshare? Promotion?

Soft power primarily (see my original comment),and less data for western labs to train on, less money for western labs to have. The state can use their AI as a tool to bolster their standing, which is working well. Chinese AI labs don't have to worry about making money or affording more compute. The state will (and does) give them whatever they need.

Post by inigyou » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 3:27 AM UTC

lbreakjai wrote: post #240

WarmWash wrote: post #205

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Selling Russia weapons to help kill Ukrainians, buying Russian oil/gas to help kill Ukrainians. But free AI models or something, right?

The other option is the one that kills palestinians, and we don't even get free models out of it.

Post by inigyou » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 3:29 AM UTC

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #289

kachnuv_ocasek wrote: post #238

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How long has the history of the US protecting the individual freedoms of non-white or non-rich citizens been?

Since the late 60s there has been explicit federal legislation. I assume you meant this as a rhetorical question but there is a definite answer because the US is a transparent system. Law is passed, the courts enforce. The fact that you are unable to answer this question about China where it is often unclear why certain people are being targeted should demonstrate how big the gap is. For example, when Xi's first corr…

Post by fatata123 » Thu, Jun 18, 2026, 3:30 AM UTC

neuroelectron wrote: post #425

grafmax wrote: post #424

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IMO US vs Chinese data vacuuming is a false choice. One of the main benefits of these open weights models is that you can get the privacy and cost savings by hosting your own model in cloud infrastructure. Open weights models are only 4.5 months behind closed weight ones. The fact that US considers propping its flagship technology by blacklisting competitors demonstrates how small the US competitive advantage really…

The USA has an entire economic system to financialize your personal data and obfuscate your privacy. China can just sniff on their citizens API Calls, and use that to distill models.