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Re: Midjourney Medical

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From what I've read, full body scans are awful for this--your body forms and kills tumors all the time. The false positive rate is ridiculous.

I'm not so worried about the data being useful, I'm worried about the machine actually working. I mean, with that much data, you may be able to understand under what timeframe a tumor is actually of concern. What's so bad about having some false positives?

> What's so bad about having some false positives?

Having invasive surgery. Undergoing chemotherapy. The former is bad, the latter is basically a 'lets hope it kills the cancer before it kills you' situation.

It's arguable which one is worse, but I'd rather not have to ever partake in either of them again.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Lol. This isnt for everyone. This is for the rich. They are going to sell these things for personal use, for installation in homes. Take the top 100,000 families in the US, those that can afford a home unit. Scans then become as normal as taking a bath. We are well on our way to that classic scifi trope of the villian being introduced as they soak a special tub of goop. (Dune, GOTG, Star Wars)

The top 100,000 families taking this scan every day would still put them 2 magnitudes below the target.

A Ferarri can do 200mph, but almost never does. Rolex watches come with helium valves, not that anyone understands what they are for let alone uses them. Luxury goods are always about untapped capacity.

Re: Midjourney Medical

#85

I'm sorry, a billion full-body scans a month? For what possible reasons? Are people going to be doing these things recreationally? Cause otherwise you're talking about scanning the entire world's population, including the very young, the very old, the mobility-impaired, and those without easy access to US-based facilities (i.e.... people who are part of the small fraction of the global population who do not live in t…

"What possible use could there be for doing this?"

I've encountered this attitude before, and I always find it perplexing that there are people who are annoyed by, even hostile to, the idea of frequent health telemetry.

What possible use? How about giving people greater visibility inside their own bodies without having to navigate the labyrinth of the healthcare machine and without having to justify themselves to actuaries?

Re: Midjourney Medical

#86

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The top 100,000 families taking this scan every day would still put them 2 magnitudes below the target.

A Ferarri can do 200mph, but almost never does. Rolex watches come with helium valves, not that anyone understands what they are for let alone uses them. Luxury goods are always about untapped capacity.

What? This comment chain is specifically about the target of a billion full-body scans a month using 50,000 units.

That's about 1 scan per unit, every 2 minutes, 24/7.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Lol. This isnt for everyone. This is for the rich. They are going to sell these things for personal use, for installation in homes. Take the top 100,000 families in the US, those that can afford a home unit. Scans then become as normal as taking a bath. We are well on our way to that classic scifi trope of the villian being introduced as they soak a special tub of goop. (Dune, GOTG, Star Wars)

It's really not OK to victimize the rich like this either.

Rich people have a phobia of death, unlike the rest of us for whom depression, disease, and injustice have really removed the sting of death and turned it more into "eh, if it happens it happens." So worry not: The rich wasting their money on biohacking fads are not being scammed, they are being consoled.

Re: Midjourney Medical

#88
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Theoretically if this was possible (and I doubt it is, like c'mon) then it could be used for early detection of cancer.

From what I've read, full body scans are awful for this--your body forms and kills tumors all the time. The false positive rate is ridiculous.

False positives aren't a consequence of having the data, they're a consequence of misusing the data to issue diagnoses with insufficient evidence. "Just" don't set your thresholds for diagnosis so that you do that.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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From what I've read, full body scans are awful for this--your body forms and kills tumors all the time. The false positive rate is ridiculous.

The more we measure, the better we get at separating the false positive cases from the serious ones. Especially in a world where AI plays a bigger role in the development of the medial sciences. Going forward into the future and not measuring more accurately because we are worried about false positives in our current limited understanding is a very conservative take.

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Re: Midjourney Medical

#90
I had to check the date after seeing the headline, and again after opening the page. Thought it was April Fools.

Regardless, as a doctor and full stack engineer, I'm looking forward to learning more about their methodologies, their approaches, but I don't think this is going to be displacing MRIs or remotely close, based off the cursory initial glance. If their vision is to be able to provide end users with more actionable data with some kind of "low fidelity" medical imaging data that is somewhere above zero and or standard imaging and high fidelity modalities like CT/MRI, then this could be somewhat interesting.

Not a radiologist and not medical advice. Just my two cents.

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