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Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by tptacek »

sandworm101 wrote: post #38
verandaguy wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, a billion full-body scans a month? For what possible reasons? Are people going to be doing these things recreationally? Cause otherwise you're talking about scanning the entire world's population, including the very young, the very old, the mobility-impaired, and those without easy access to US-based facilities (i.e.... people who are part of the small fraction of the global population who do not live in t…

Lol. This isnt for everyone. This is for the rich. They are going to sell these things for personal use, for installation in homes. Take the top 100,000 families in the US, those that can afford a home unit. Scans then become as normal as taking a bath. We are well on our way to that classic scifi trope of the villian being introduced as they soak a special tub of goop. (Dune, GOTG, Star Wars)

It's really not OK to victimize the rich like this either.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by schoen »

jofzar wrote: post #19
verandaguy wrote: post #4

I'm sorry, a billion full-body scans a month? For what possible reasons? Are people going to be doing these things recreationally? Cause otherwise you're talking about scanning the entire world's population, including the very young, the very old, the mobility-impaired, and those without easy access to US-based facilities (i.e.... people who are part of the small fraction of the global population who do not live in t…

Theoretically if this was possible (and I doubt it is, like c'mon) then it could be used for early detection of cancer.

Ultrasound can also detect (some) kidney stones before they start moving and become painful, allowing an assessment of whether a medical intervention is useful or necessary. When I used to get kidney stones more frequently, there was a year or so when my doctor sent me for an ultrasound every few months to try to detect them in advance (!).

I think this is currently seen as too expensive to do for people who have lower risk, but I mention it as an example of something that one could check for more routinely given much cheaper ultrasound scans.

Prophylactic ultrasound exams are also apparently much more plausible on medical cost/benefit than prophylactic CT exams, because the CT exams very slightly increase one's cancer risk (https://xkcd.com/radiation/), where ultrasound doesn't.

(At a friend's doctor's suggestion, I started taking alkali citrate supplements and switched from almond milk to oat milk; I now apparently rarely get kidney stones.)

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by block_dagger »

I watched the whole video thinking it was generated by Midjourney, the product, and that the announcement was related to fidelity in images/video around human anatomy. This seems like a very strange pivot for them indeed.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by owenpalmer »

compass_copium wrote: post #24
jofzar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically if this was possible (and I doubt it is, like c'mon) then it could be used for early detection of cancer.

From what I've read, full body scans are awful for this--your body forms and kills tumors all the time. The false positive rate is ridiculous.

I'm not so worried about the data being useful, I'm worried about the machine actually working.

I mean, with that much data, you may be able to understand under what timeframe a tumor is actually of concern. What's so bad about having some false positives?

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by noobermin »

ccheney wrote: post #32
noobermin wrote: post #22

Clearly something like this would need to be approved by the FDA, it is literally irresponsible to promote something like this as being more powerful than a MRI.

Are you implying soundwaves are dangerous?

You shouldn't promote something like this as being useful for medical purposes, because some patients might think this is real and start sending their doctors these "scans" or even worse, some shitty doctors will use them to diagnose tumours in their patients so they can then make banger bucks out of their new hallucinated cancer patients.

Stuff like this needs to go through approvals for obvious reasons before they can advertise them for having medical purposes.

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by nonethewiser »

thorum wrote: post #28

I wish them all the best and hope they succeed, but can’t help but suspect they’ve fallen into deep LLM psychosis. Even if you assume they can build this thing and it works as described and then get past all the regulatory hurdles, the scale of infrastructure they’re talking about is enormous.

> can’t help but suspect they’ve fallen into deep LLM psychosis

What do you mean here?

The idea came from LLMs? They built this with LLMs?

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by ttoinou »

bhouston wrote: post #13

Hmmm… such a slow rollout. In this age of AI assisted development I would expect them to move faster. I would be concerned about Chinese tech replicating this and then selling it to competing wellness spas. I guess some type of software platform would add some competitive distancing? I get the benefits of regular scans although I also know that they tend to catch a lot of otherwise benign tumors that can cause a lot…

Being realistic is good

Re: Midjourney Medical

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Post by tptacek »

jdw64 wrote: post #39

Why is everyone so negative about this? Getting a CT or X-ray and then having AI do early screening on cases that doctors can pass along doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

It is in fact very probably a bad idea. A good search term here is "incidentaloma". The balance of evidence currently appears to suggest that full body scans for asymptomatic patients are a net negative for health.
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