US blacklist anything that does't agree with them, there is nothing new here.
US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
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Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#402I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…
> As an Australian, I'm not sure that I care about the safety of my data when it comes to LLMs. US companies already stole scores of data I'm not sure I understand this. I'm not defending the US, but isn't your data being in more hands worse? Also, isn't Australia in a more contentious situation with China? Them being more allied with the US and all? Not to mention the whole nuclear sub issue. Having data stolen is s…
If I spoke freely about how I feel about the US right now and the direct personal impact of policies implemented by the recent administration, I'd be denied entry into the country to visit friends later this year.
It is inconsequential if the US or China have my data, both will misuse it and I am powerless to protect myself from that fact.
Not using LLMs presents a bigger threat to my career than protecting my data.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#403The US is slowly becoming more like China. From talks of nationalizing companies to make US state owned entities to banning foreign competition. It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear.
> talks of nationalizing companies
What is this referring to?
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mimo 2.5 pro is the best intelligence / dollar
In most cases it seems (at least to me and colleagues) to be turning out that picking best intelligence is a better option than picking better intelligence / dollar, assuming you can afford the cost. At least on interesting problems. If you’re doing generic web dev work, probably not the case.
Absolutely agree with this. As Louis Rossmann recently pointed out, it's the difference between a correct answer and a wrong answer; the correct answer is worth a good amount, while the wrong answer is worth nothing. Under this metric, for harder tasks, the most intelligent model is best per dollar.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
China is already going as hard as they can on their own GPUs. When has availability of non-Chinese tech in China meant China didn't ultimately come up with homegrown replacements?
It's just my general impression. They banned China from the ISS, China made their own space station. China's making their own x86 chips, their own GPUs. As a fellow wheel reinventer, I admire their audacity. It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China.
> It's the sort of thing that makes me wish my country was like China.
PR China is still pretty poor (around 31k$ gdp per capita adjusted for purchasing power) and its growth has lost a bit of steam recently.
You should wish your country to be more like Taiwan or South Korea. Or Singapore.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#406I use DeepSeek every day (via VSCode Insiders and Zed Editor). It's very affordable and, while it's slightly behind Claude (not sure how far behind Fable), it suits my working style well. I'm not using unsupervised multi-agent workflows and don't need a library of skills files - I'm writing most of the code and leaning on AI to help with mundane tasks - like; - generating types for APIs - generating boilerplate based…
> As an Australian, I'm not sure that I care about the safety of my data when it comes to LLMs. US companies already stole scores of data I'm not sure I understand this. I'm not defending the US, but isn't your data being in more hands worse? Also, isn't Australia in a more contentious situation with China? Them being more allied with the US and all? Not to mention the whole nuclear sub issue. Having data stolen is s…
China is not digging through my social media in order to find a reason to cut my grant funding. China isnt going to pull me over for speeding in montana only to examine my phone to see whether i am maga enough to get off with a warning. And china isnt at o'hare security scanning for anyone with skin darker than freshly fallen snow. China may be evil, but it is a far away evil that doesnt have a physical impact on my day to day. The other evil is much closer to home. Even if it is not the biggest, the crocodile closest to the canoe is always more concerning than the one still on the bank.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#407Hmm, my VPN provider explicitly has Chinese exit points. And whats funny is I can load AliPay from any CVS. (Like, seriously) You can try to pry Qwen and Deepseek from my Graphene/Linux hands.
Why do you need to "load" Alipay?
You can just have them charge your CC directly whenever you make a payment? Or is this blocked for US cards somehow?
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but they won't say that. Instead they will say _too Chinese, too communist, too national security-y_
They usually say it has "ties" to the Chinese military. Meanwhile, every big tech from Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Anthropic, and a ton of smaller corporations directly supply the US military.
I mean, usually people saying this are politician's so you must at least assume they are hypocritical or lying in some way.
Needless to say, I'm not surprised that they are trying to block them.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#409Why would my country blacklist DeepSeek? Perhaps crazy lunacy like: "Your product is too good and too inexpensive: consumers like US companies and individuals need to pay more for services."
I'm interested if this is a tactic from Chinese side to undermine competition by subsidizing this price dumping.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#410i was using google gemini earlier now using deepseek , v 4 pro is better. fast and strong coding.