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Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by ternaryoperator »

remus wrote: post #53
GlacierFox wrote: post #13

Why would you self sabotage such a considerable contract? Are Broadcom stupid?

It does seem an odd move. No doubt they're going to milk existing customers for everything they're worth, but they're going to create a generation of people who will never buy anything from them ever again. That guy who's busting his balls to migrate off VMWare because of the price hike is gonna be the CTO in 10 years time, and when he's making that 10m USD purchasing decision they're gonna stay well away from anythi…

Pshaw! Similar behavior by Oracle has not diminished its footprint nor its sales.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by jcastro »

proxysna wrote: post #14

Great time to migrate off VMware. All the migration paths are well-trodden by now, but goddamn 40k vm's. A lot of work ahead.

> A lot of work ahead.

Lots of orgs have been documenting their moves to KubeVirt over the past year or so. There's KubeCon video recordings on the youtube channel from Amsterdam with lots of this kind of stuff, especially from european end users.

One thing I find consistent is orgs are also looking at the whole stack, this is just another major component of digital sovereignty.

Disclaimer: work for CNCF on this but worked on the first version of VMWare Tanzu so every announcement in this space is interesting lol.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by twoodfin »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #47
twoodfin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Broadcom correctly realizes that no matter what they do there is no long term: In a world of Cloud hyperscalers and containerization, the absolute number of “traditional” virtual machines run by a commercial hypervisor has nowhere to go but down.

Containers do not reduce reliance on VMs, really. Those containers still need a server to run on, and that server is almost certainly going to be a VM and not bare metal.

Sure, but at that level it’s totally commoditized by the hyperscalers. VMWare brings nothing to the table.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by twoodfin »

rwmj wrote: post #58
twoodfin wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Broadcom correctly realizes that no matter what they do there is no long term: In a world of Cloud hyperscalers and containerization, the absolute number of “traditional” virtual machines run by a commercial hypervisor has nowhere to go but down.

No one's going away from VMs any time soon (if ever). More than half of the workloads we see being migrated are Windows. Many more are odd/ancient RHEL versions running some very specific software where the manufacturer won't offer a newer version / went out of business / the guy who set it up left and no one knows how it's configured / it works and we never want to touch it again.

IBM’s mainframe business is also large and highly profitable.

It’s not growing in any meaningful way relative to other technology businesses.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by simoncion »

rwmj wrote: post #19
proxysna wrote: post #14

Great time to migrate off VMware. All the migration paths are well-trodden by now, but goddamn 40k vm's. A lot of work ahead.

I work at Red Hat and a customer moving 40k servers off VMware is a fairly regular occurrence. It'd be one of the larger migrations but certainly not unusual. We can usually do about 500-1000 guests per day once the migration is fully underway after the initial engagement and a qualification period where the VMs get scoped for anything unusual / difficult to move. It's all based around open source projects virt-v2v a…

> Broadcom's "strategy" is absolutely baffling to me.

If one believes that they intend to get new VMware customers, or that they intend to have more than single-digit numbers of customers on VMware ten years from now, I can see how that might make their strategy baffling.

They appear to have made a lot of money doing what they're doing, so it looks to be working quite well for them... regardless of what the public or their former customers think about it.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by sidewndr46 »

stackskipton wrote: post #32
jamesfinlayson wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm at a place that is kind of sucking it up, but there is a work-stream to move more stuff into the cloud and another work-stream to move more stuff on-prem but Kubernetes running on bare-metal. There's also work to stop using some component of VMware as well.

Sure but whole strategy is "Jack up prices by 500%, cut expenses by 70% and make more money in short term" What about the long term? Who care, massive money made and they can use that to keep going.

Long term you roll those profits into another acquisition. Rinse and repeat. Scorched earth, no mercy

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by dzonga »

bijowo1676 wrote: post #29
dzonga wrote: post #17

this is probably another big risk with enterprises going all in on using spring-boot. migrating to quarkus won't save you either - since it's IBM on the other hand. if only other ecosystems could catch up to Java/JVM solutions.

there is no risk since spring boot is open source. any attempt at milking spring-boot will lead to forking it into OpenBoot or something

support contracts ? if your spring-boot version is 2 releases behind etc. You use extensions that are [VMWare Tanzu Spring Enterprise Extensions]

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by Shitty-kitty »

rwmj wrote: post #19
proxysna wrote: post #14

Great time to migrate off VMware. All the migration paths are well-trodden by now, but goddamn 40k vm's. A lot of work ahead.

I work at Red Hat and a customer moving 40k servers off VMware is a fairly regular occurrence. It'd be one of the larger migrations but certainly not unusual. We can usually do about 500-1000 guests per day once the migration is fully underway after the initial engagement and a qualification period where the VMs get scoped for anything unusual / difficult to move. It's all based around open source projects virt-v2v a…

Broadcom is acting like a VC. Quickly milk as much as you can then sell the carcass.

Re: Tesco moving 40k server workloads off VMware amid Broadcom's abusive conduct

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Post by elevation »

My hope from this headline was that some open source solution was functionally equivalent from a business perspective. But then I read that Tesco has had to:

> procure alternative solutions with reduced functionality

meaning VMWare is still basically the only option if you need something that works out of the box. Hopefully this changes in the mid term as other customers migrate away.

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