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There's nothing wrong with the US buying greenland, which has been done for territories around the world? The US has a long history of protecting individual freedoms, China does not. There's an irony that you're aware of the misgivings of the US because we have free speech protections. You're probably less aware of the misgivings of the EU because they regularly arrest citizens for speech, and no awareness of the iss…
How long has the history of the US protecting the individual freedoms of non-white or non-rich citizens been?
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so, with the Snowden leaks we learned the extent of American digital espionage in Europe, the US government puts pressure on Europe to prevent taxation or regulation of American business and even European citizens have become the subject of mistreatment in American airports based on their digital profiles. We can enter China visa free. Given that you're big on data and don't like emotions, what have the Chinese m…
Selling Russia weapons to help kill Ukrainians, buying Russian oil/gas to help kill Ukrainians. But free AI models or something, right?
Which, I agree with you btw, I don't like but I can understand rationally. We still buy oil and gas from Russia too. And with 20% of the world's supply casually going offline after America's own 3 day special miltary operation the Chinese would be insane not to.
What one cannot understand rationally to come back to the Snowden era in which Denmark spied on us in Germany on behalf of the US, which is insane to begin with, is being threatened a decade later with annexation of their territory. China is on some fronts a rival, hence the tension around Russia, but the US is as destabilizing and unpredictable for the world as Russia itself now.
Americans truly seem to have no concept that they're in the middle of their own post-Soviet meltdown and look like a rogue state to the world now, which makes China which is no saint more and more attractive simply by being a source of order.
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#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They would be looking to do large scale espionage, whether it be corporate secrets or personal secrets. The US token providers started the ball rolling on large-scale copyright infringement in order to make their models work. They built their business on IP laundering, so it's very difficult for me to feel sorry for them now.
Not sure I follow your point, are you confusing espionage with IP theft? The victims are entirely different in each case, I am sure china would not restrict itself to corporate espionage.
Espionage is IP theft.
What did you think that word means?
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> wiping out competition by undercutting them using state subsidies The same tactic is in the USA. Like every new AI datacenter has ~10 tax waiver + explicit subsidies + favorable loans, etc, etc.
As always, the US has a government removing red tape to foster innovation, while China has a regime , unfairly picking winners, to hurt and subvert the West.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so, with the Snowden leaks we learned the extent of American digital espionage in Europe, the US government puts pressure on Europe to prevent taxation or regulation of American business and even European citizens have become the subject of mistreatment in American airports based on their digital profiles. We can enter China visa free. Given that you're big on data and don't like emotions, what have the Chinese m…
Selling Russia weapons to help kill Ukrainians, buying Russian oil/gas to help kill Ukrainians. But free AI models or something, right?
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
if you look at share of industry profits, currently most of AI profits are captured by NVIDIA and cloud providers banning deepseek/open weight models will allow Ant/OAI jack up prices and extract more profits for themselves keeping open weights models available will keep current industry profit distribution where majority is captured by nvidia and cloud providers
> keeping open weights models available will keep current industry profit distribution where majority is captured by nvidia and cloud providers With the Chinese manufacturing capacity, how long do you think this will remain true for? You can't spin up a fab in a year, that's true, but you can in five years, at which point all the protectionism in the world isn't going to help.
if China starts making cheap GPUs for the entire globe, I will say THANK YOU and will continue my work on AI.
The collaborative nature of open-source (free software) is the ultimate good that benefits entire humanity. I value that more than any other benefit of protecting any company.
How much I care about Nvidia or OpenAI market cap? absolutely zero
How much I care about the poor, but smart and creative people on Earth being able to contribute to the state of the art of AI development? 100% more.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not China that is threatening to annex Greenland though.
There's nothing wrong with the US buying greenland, which has been done for territories around the world? The US has a long history of protecting individual freedoms, China does not. There's an irony that you're aware of the misgivings of the US because we have free speech protections. You're probably less aware of the misgivings of the EU because they regularly arrest citizens for speech, and no awareness of the iss…
You can't be serious.
Was the individual freedom of those 120 Iranian girls protected?
Was the individual freedom of Renée Good protected? Alex Pretti?
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
When it comes to annexation, China doesn't threaten, they just invade and extinguish.
Yeah, I remember clearly when China invaded/bombed: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, Panama, Syria...
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Can you keep a straight face when you say IP theft while OpenAI and Claude have their entire business based on IP theft?
This is a commonly-repeated trope. Full of all the emotional zeal of AI Doomerism, but no accompanying evidence.
>The court drew a line, however, when it came to the pirated books, which were downloaded without payment and kept in Anthropic’s library irrespective of whether they were used to train its LLMs.
https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2025/07/bartz-...
>We apply a basic prompt template to bypass the refusal training and show that OpenAI models are currently less prone to memorization elicitation than models from Meta, Mistral, and Anthropic. We find that as models increase in size, especially beyond 100 billion parameters, they demonstrate significantly greater capacity for memorization.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.06370
> They further rely on safety alignment strategies via RLHF, system prompts, and output filters to block verbatim regurgitation of copyrighted works, and have cited the efficacy of these measures in their legal defenses against copyright infringement claims. We show that finetuning bypasses these protections: by training models to expand plot summaries into full text, a task naturally suited for commercial writing assistants, we cause GPT-4o, Gemini-2.5-Pro, and DeepSeek-V3.1 to reproduce up to 85-90% of held-out copyrighted books, with single verbatim spans exceeding 460 words, using only semantic descriptions as prompts and no actual book text
https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20957
Even if they're trained for refusal and rewording, the data is still there in the weights.
One blog post I have, which was basically the only source for a while, explaining how to boot Armbian in an obscure SBC only meant for Android, was repeated verbatim until they started they improving the rewording.
Re: US holds off blacklisting DeepSeek, more than 100 firms deemed security risks
#250The US government exists to defend capital interests. It's why we can't buy BYD cars. It's why we can't import any cars unless they're 25 years old. It's why a Tiktok sale was forced. It's why the US is seeking to block states from banning prediction markets. It's why the federal government is seeking to block states from blocking data center projects. As soon as DeepSeek came out I realized what was going on: China…
Well that and the overwhelming pro-palestine content on that platform. We certainly couldn't have that.