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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by triceratops »

sulam wrote: post #98
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Unfortunately as a resident of the SF Bay Area, calling my elected representative is next to useless. :/

That's what they want you to think.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by triceratops »

enragedcacti wrote: post #178
naturalmovement wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a lot of collateral damage that could have been avoided if millions weren't being squandered on dubious "science" like studying grooming habits of trans aboriginals in the Central African Republic (a made-up scenario, but there are many like it). At some point the baby's going to be thrown out with the bath water until the course is corrected.

Seriously, when our tax dollars pay for idiots to play around with lizard spit[1] all day, why should we trust anything they want to fund? [1] https://biomedical-sciences.uq.edu.au/article/2024/04/rise-o...

Should've added an /s there

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by triceratops »

burkaman wrote: post #127
ActorNightly wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the public in large also dgaf about climate change. Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care.

This is not true, most people care about climate change, even in the US ( https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yc... ). Maybe you think "if they care then why are they still driving/flying/eating meat/whatever" and I sympathize, but climate change is not an issue that will be solved by individuals taking responsibility, in the same way that wars still happen even when the vast majority of the pop…

> If you're wondering why they don't at least vote for someone who cares about climate change, I don't know

People are single-issue voters on pointless shit like abortion and bathrooms. Where are all the single-issue climate change voters?

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Post by throwawaypath »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #233
throwawaypath wrote: post #202

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>We haven't seen the agreement yet. Which why the $300 million claim is fake news.

That 300 billion number came from JD Vance. Do you think he lied, or what?

>That 300 billion number came from JD Vance.

No it didn't, that is fake news. Please provide an unbiased source where JD Vance claims the US will be paying Iran $300 billion.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by Sabinus »

warkdarrior wrote: post #154
tetha wrote: post #138

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As the old joke went, the easiest way to not have detected covid cases in the country is to stop testing. Very simple, very effective.

Not an actual joke, this was Trump's idea during his first term.

Another one was when the popular perception was that Obama did more drone strikes than Trump did.

In fact, Trump had authorised more than Obama did. Trump had just stopped the reporting of the drone strikes.

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Post by 20after4 »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #246
frogperson wrote: post #176

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The elected reps are captured by business interests. Citizens united means the best marketing team wins every election. The reps do not work for citizens, why would they? Voting has been nullified, democracy is dead.

We haven't started the Democracy phase yet in the US. It's a constitutional republic and its working exactly as designed by the founding fathers. The wealthy elite stay in control of the Senate (equivalent to the House of Lords) and the citizens get to have their say in the House (equivalent to the House of Commons). In this system nothing becomes law unless approved by the Lords of the Senate. This started as an Ari…

It feels more like we've jumped straight to mob rule (with tinges of oligarchy, which are not new really)

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by ActorNightly »

burkaman wrote: post #127
ActorNightly wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, the public in large also dgaf about climate change. Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care.

This is not true, most people care about climate change, even in the US ( https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yc... ). Maybe you think "if they care then why are they still driving/flying/eating meat/whatever" and I sympathize, but climate change is not an issue that will be solved by individuals taking responsibility, in the same way that wars still happen even when the vast majority of the pop…

>I guess I'm in the minority, there's no point in trying

Thats exactly how it is.

Look at the current politics discourse. Even now, in the presence of ordinary people, there can be a conservative who supports Trump, but you are supposed to be "nice" to them, because its all just political opinions, and those ordinary people are removed from the real destruction of lives that the current administration carried out for many people.

Same with global warming. People are far removed from the real effects, so most people just don't actually care.

And in the same way that all the anti vaxxers who got covid and urged others to take the vaccine before they died, people need to get hit over the head with reality before they start to care.

The only way forward that doesn't involve mass famine/death is some low level societal control that forces people to behave for fear of real consequences.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

throwawaypath wrote: post #254
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 300 billion number came from JD Vance. Do you think he lied, or what?

>That 300 billion number came from JD Vance. No it didn't, that is fake news. Please provide an unbiased source where JD Vance claims the US will be paying Iran $300 billion.

"Walk through some of this. The Iranians are saying that they're gonna have access to a $300 billion reconstruction fund, true or false?" O'Keefe began.

"Well, Ed, that's the sort of thing they could have access to, funded by the Gulf coast coalition, so long as they honor their end of the obligation. I think that one of the things you're going to see, Ed—and people have to be skeptical of this—is that the hardliners in the Iranian system will overemphasize the benefits that Iran gets, while underemphasizing all the things that they have to concede and all the things they have to provide in order to get these benefits," Vance replied.

NBC news. He said the "Gulf Coast coalition", but it's unclear exactly who is going to be paying into that.

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Post by Supermancho »

panny wrote: post #209
jandrewrogers wrote: post #187

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> Science has no idea where 2-3 gigatons of carbon go every year. That's a BIG number. That's a big number and a small percentage. The latter is what matters.

It's the same order of magnitude as all cars on the road. Not such a big deal huh? Let me ask you this. Do you own a car? I don't. I take the train. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon... Look at that, I'm the 1%. What are you doing personally about the climate? I bet you own an air conditioner too. I bet you don't carry 20-30 pounds of groceries a mile every two to three days, do you? https:…

> Look at that, I'm the 1%. What are you doing personally about the climate?

Virtue signaling has nothing to do with the discussion.

Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by Supermancho »

Hikikomori wrote: post #211
Jtsummers wrote: post #195

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That does seem to be their argument. Lots of trolls in this discussion, we don't need to feed them.

What is the argument then?

If science can't explain some part of how a system works, science cant make predictions about that system. It's nonsense.
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