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U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Re: U.S. pulling ocean sensors a 'shock' for Canadian research as El Niño nears

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Post by gwerbin »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #106
tadfisher wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also famous for being a principal architect and author of Project 2025, which explicitly calls for impoundment as a mechanism for expanding presidential authority to control the Federal budget for political purposes.

In order to usher in their Theocratic Dictatorship, they need to have an un-educated population. This is the start. I hope it takes a few generations and the tide can be turned. But at this rate, the US might end within the next couple years, not decades. I don't think they are really even trying to hide it. Project 2025 was pretty obvious road map.

It's not even about an uneducated population. It's about preventing research that might be inconvenient politically. Ocean sensors provide evidence of climate change and the current political agenda is to suppress evidence of climate change.

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Post by scottyah »

20after4 wrote: post #65

Look at all of the headlines coming out of the department of energy: https://www.energy.gov/newsroom Lots of them related to coal and LNG. Most prominently: https://www.energy.gov/articles/energy-department-invest-350... The policy of the federal government is anti renewable energy and pro coal, pro oil. Oil executives are profiting from the situation with Iran. These guys don't want us to have cheap renewable energy…

The DoE is posting misinformation constantly, they seem to just be old oil people. Idk how they're still flying under the radar.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

xg15 wrote: post #73
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

If we do not have objective facts and data, the truth is whatever the loudest person says it is.

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Post by pupppet »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #56
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

OMB = “Office of Management and Budget”. It’s a White House office run by Russell Vought, highly ideological maga institutionalist.

I thought it might be Orange Man Baby.

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Post by epistasis »

xg15 wrote: post #73
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

Can anyone explain that "anti-science" crusade to me? This doesn't seem to have any effect than reduce America's standing in the world.

Pretty much every single part of Project 2025 is designed to reduce America's standing in the world, not just the anti-science parts of it.

It's a general trend across all authoritarian regimes; it's harder to be authoritarian with lots of international connections, with lots of strength and partnerships.

Autarky, authoritarianism, isolation, all go together (along with weak economies, etc., but the goal isn't to have the biggest amount of pie, the goal is to be able to control all the pie slices and take the biggest portion, even if the pie is far smaller.)

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Post by toomuchtodo »

epistasis wrote: post #68
waterthrowaway wrote: post #26

As a physical oceanographer, the destruction of these observing systems is horrific. It is hard to stress enough how intentionally OMB is trying to disassemble American science. The new (proposed) OMB guidelines prohibit international collaboration without pre approval for example. They also codify a political grant approval process. https://arstechnica.com/science/2026/05/the-office-of-manage... Additionally, OMB is…

The other thing they've done is make it possible to cancel any grant at any time if it goes against the politics of the current executive administration. Science has flourished in the US precisely because it could proceed without whimsical political picking and choosing, entire areas of science have flourished that would never have happened otherwise. That's not to say that politics is completely out of science, Cong…

https://www.project2025.observer/

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Post by burkaman »

ActorNightly wrote: post #51
clintonb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current administration doesn’t care about climate change, or believes it’s a hoax. Given this, they see no need to fund research and data gathering that tells them otherwise.

To be fair, the public in large also dgaf about climate change. Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care.

This is not true, most people care about climate change, even in the US (https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/visualizations-data/yc...). Maybe you think "if they care then why are they still driving/flying/eating meat/whatever" and I sympathize, but climate change is not an issue that will be solved by individuals taking responsibility, in the same way that wars still happen even when the vast majority of the population oppose them.

If you're wondering why they don't at least vote for someone who cares about climate change, I don't know. But claiming people don't care at all is not true and is self-defeating, because it makes people who do care think "I guess I'm in the minority, there's no point in trying".

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Post by quantified »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #106
tadfisher wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also famous for being a principal architect and author of Project 2025, which explicitly calls for impoundment as a mechanism for expanding presidential authority to control the Federal budget for political purposes.

In order to usher in their Theocratic Dictatorship, they need to have an un-educated population. This is the start. I hope it takes a few generations and the tide can be turned. But at this rate, the US might end within the next couple years, not decades. I don't think they are really even trying to hide it. Project 2025 was pretty obvious road map.

Also trying to indebt the government so much as to prevent anything useful from being restored.

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Post by bauldursdev »

bflesch wrote: post #76
fusslo wrote: post #10

to be honest I always assumed scientific sensors like those also had military applications either directly or indirectly (installing listening devices at the same time as installing the scientific equipment). That'd be partly why we fund and keep them around. But I guess not!

This decision gives them plausible reason to send a ship to every single sensor and "remove" it, nobody knows what they replace it with. Maybe the old sensor network is compromised and snooped on by another nation, so they'd need to replace it with some better, obviously classified sensor network. The anti climate change angle and the pain inflicted to "liberal" climate scientists is a nice to have but maybe not main…

Is there anything that would point to this possibly being the case?
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