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GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by fooqux »

drnick1 wrote: post #108
qurren wrote: post #48

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Is it possible to install basic Google apps like Gmail, Calendar, Maps, Drive without googlifying the whole phone? I'm not looking to fully de-Google but I want Google as apps and not my OS.

> I'm not looking to fully de-Google but I want Google as apps and not my OS. This is entirely possible as other posters have explained. But I think it kind of defeats the point of Graphene, at least somewhat. Google is already profiling every aspect of your life by reading your emails, files, calendar, location, etc? In that case, OS access becomes moot. I think that GrapheneOS makes most sense as part of a broader…

I agree and have moved mostly away from everything Google. But it's hard to replace maps. I know open street maps exists but it's hard to beat Google's data gathering.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by dang »

mcsniff wrote: post #53
Cider9986 wrote: post #42

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What does RFID-blocking wallet do?

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Can you please not post aggressively like this? It's against the site guidelines because it destroys what HN is supposed to be for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by FloatArtifact »

jordand wrote: post #12

I've been running GrapheneOS for 7 months now and I'm not going back. When I bought my Pixel 10 last year, I wasn't actually planning on trying Graphene for a while....until I noticed Google had force bundled a 'Wicked For Good' movie promo theme with the latest security update.

Any issues with banking insurance or healthcare applications?

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by Saris »

preisschild wrote: post #114
Saris wrote: post #83

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Cash for most things, and just use a card like normal otherwise. I don't really see the appeal of contactless payment, pulling a card out really doesn't take much time.

Just having to take your phone with you is quite comfortable. Your phone is probably the pocket-sized item you are unlikeliest to lose.

True, but I also need my license to ride my motorcycle or drive a car, plus cash needs to go somewhere.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by ignoramous »

jitix wrote: post #117
joe_mamba wrote: post #82

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What you are describing is not Google’s alturism but keeping competition in check. If Google didn’t “allow” GrapheneOS it opens up a new market segment for other smartphone manufacturers. Apple really cashed in on privacy for a few years so it’s not unfathomable that Xiaomi or someone else goes all in on “privacy focused android” in absence of pixel+graphene combo. Edit: Apparently Motorola is doing just that.

> Apple really cashed in on privacy for a few years

Apple didn't "cash in", their marketing dept made sure privacy/security engineering got just enough budget to pull off miracles & then spend even more to successfully make the public forget about the very nasty Celebgate.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by tom_alexander »

okanat wrote: post #87
phreack wrote: post #84

That Motorola phone that lets you install Graphene can not come soon enough. Pixel phones are not sold worldwide so it feels like they're gatekeeping security. I know that's not the case really, but there's very few ways to successfully degoogle otherwise.

AFAIK Motorola only lets certain geographical regions to unlock bootloader, not everywhere.

They're referring to the partnership between GrapheneOS and Motorola: https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at...

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by jojobas »

hparadiz wrote: post #104
mrbluecoat wrote: post #27

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I don't. GrapheneOS is worth the effort of pulling a card out of my wallet.

It's infuriating that they won't do this for non Google Android. It's in the best interest of both the bank and the card owner. Credential theft risk goes down to basically zero when backed by a fingerprint authenticated virtual card.

Banks don't want the headache of supporting multiple weird phone OSes and it's understandable. As long as they don't require running an apple/google-certified device and OS I don't care.

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by lucb1e »

driverdan wrote: post #88
Cider9986 wrote: post #10

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To get a sense of the project and its goals I recommend reading this post[1]. Buying a used Pixel is economical, environmental, and likely doesn't support Google. Pixels are the only secure and open android devices that could work for the project and meet the extensive requirements[2]. This is because GrapheneOS takes real steps to protect user privacy and security, not features that degrade security and don't increa…

It makes sense that an open source project would focus on one series of phones since their time and resources are limited. That said, Google's hardware is behind their competitors and they've had a lot of problems in the past few years. The Pixel 8 Pro has hardware WiFi problems, the 9 and 10 are both minor updates with prices that are far too high, the 10 is eSIM only, etc.

> The Pixel 8 Pro has hardware WiFi problems, the 9 and 10 are both minor updates

The prime difference between P8 pro and P9 pro is that the newer one is nearly a usable size (just about fits in a pocket now). The battery also got substantially better in two ways: on mobile data (when you're on someone's WiFi, odds are you're also near a charger) you get 33% longer use time on all variants of the P9 and 55% on the P10 and P10p (9 to 12 and 14 hours, respectively), and hours of use per 30 minutes of charging went up from 4.6 for the P8 to 6.3 for the P9(p) and 6.2 or 7 for the P10 and P10p, respectively

The rest is indeed relatively minor but it's not an unwelcome upgrade. Prices didn't change much when buying second-hand 1.5 years after release, when the newest devices are out and nobody cares about the generation-before-last despite >5 years of updates remaining (plus however long you think it's fine without updates)

Re: GrapheneOS has been ported to Android 17

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Post by 627467 »

hparadiz wrote: post #104
mrbluecoat wrote: post #27

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I don't. GrapheneOS is worth the effort of pulling a card out of my wallet.

It's infuriating that they won't do this for non Google Android. It's in the best interest of both the bank and the card owner. Credential theft risk goes down to basically zero when backed by a fingerprint authenticated virtual card.

I'm sure contrats between Google and banks provide the financial guarantees that not open-source project would be able to. Unless governments mandate there's zero interest from banks to put extra effort into building for unpopular solutions
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