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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by hamdingers »

iamnothere wrote: post #197
hamdingers wrote: post #196

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If I can filter/throttle fraudsters at the create account step for free, I save on the fees my KYC/IDV providers charge each time they attempt to defeat it.

At the cost of blocking legitimate users who don’t want to be spammed, don’t want to be correlated after a data breach, etc. I have been willing to do KYC for services (usually financial) without giving out my main email. Services that put up too many barriers to this don’t get my business. I concede that there aren’t that many users like me, compared to the general public, but I’m a legitimate user.

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by [deleted] »

snark42 wrote: post #189
js2 wrote: post #124

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I was just able to create an account using `rei@ ` on rei.com w/o any issues. Now, figuring out how to delete the account is another matter entirely...

Cool, they probably changed it, this was years ago. I've had similar issues with other companies, REI is just the only one I can I really recall right now.

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by stavros »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #77
c7b wrote: post #64

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If you don't mind trusting another company with forwarding your emails, it's definitely less hassle to set up an equivalent service for yourself.

If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

I've had my own domain for email for twenty years or so now, and I've encountered maybe one signup form that didn't accept it. What you're saying is definitely not true, and I would highly recommend using your own domain for email (preferably with Fastmail, it's fantastic).

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Post by bb88 »

vitally3643 wrote: post #188
wartijn_ wrote: post #86

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Are there really? I don't think I've ever encountered such a service in all the years I've been using an email address under my own domain. And blocking every email address that's not from a big provider means blocking basically everyone who tries to sign up with their company email, which might not be great for business.

I've been running my own mailserver on a firstnamelastname.com domain for nearly 15 years. As far as I can tell, nobody blocks it. Google sometimes rejects emails where the from address doesn't match the real sending address, which is fair. I guess the first couple of years were rocky, I hadn't figured out DKIM and SPF and all the other blood rituals yet. Back then I got blocked by Steam and banks. But ever since I s…

I did that too years ago, but the management of it was kind of annoying. DKIM was just getting introduced when I stopped using it. SPF had controversy. I understand both of those are awesome now.

The biggest issue was if your ip address got listed in a RBL (Realtime Blackhole List), and then nobody would talk to you. Some were easy to get off, others were permanent blocks, and I found those to be constantly interfering with the delivery of mail. At least the rejection would usually tell you which RBL blocked you.

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Post by gerdesj »

threeio wrote: post #149
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #131

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Yes, espacially exotic tld. I have a ".email" domain name, and I get 2 to 3 instances a year of either rejected forms, or sneakier, just confirmation email that never come until I use a .com address.

I have a 3 character .com as my primary email... it gets rejected more often than I'd like... including at my bank :) I've got a longer more normal domain that I alias, but it annoys me none the less.

Have you got this lot sorted out:

  MX->A->PTR->A->MX
  SPF
  DKIM
  DMARC
  mta-sts - DNS and webpage
Also your IPs must be squeaky bum clean, ideally for several years. DNSSEC might help too. In the UK getting as far as DKIM is usually enough (plus clean IPs, even FTTC connections will work if static).

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Post by JKCalhoun »

jawiggins wrote: post #8

> If you use iCloud+ and Hide My Email, there is still time to generate more aliases on @icloud.com as the change has not yet landed and the rate limit for creating aliases is at least 30 per hour. Part of the reason to use Hide My Email was that it made keeping myself private hassle-free. Making a system to pre-generate values and then catalog them for later use is quite the hassle.

Yeah, I have several dozen already—I suppose I can reuse those forever… I guess it's kind of cool having one-per-site though so you can tell who the "rat" is when one of your hide-my's gets spammed.

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

reaperducer wrote: post #45
SXX wrote: post #28

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Yep, but I still generated some for myself just in case and fellow hackers can do the same if they want to. iCloud+ was the best $1 / month custom domain email and email alias service with 100GB of E2EE cloud drive. Obviously it will be sad to see it enshittified for seemingly no reason.

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Yeah, real hackers use a uniquely identifying domain that lets everyone in the world trivially trace all of said hacker's online activity to the same person.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by pseudalopex »

nerdjon wrote: post #4

I would bet that doing so would be a pretty quick way to have your app pulled. They already require that you use Sign in with Apple, I would think that it working fully is also a requirement?

> They already require that you use Sign in with Apple, I would think that it working fully is also a requirement?

They require apps offer a service which meets their privacy requirements if they use any 3rd party or social login service.[1] And apps could block private.icloud.com for email and not Sign in with Apple.

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2024/01/27/sign-in-with-apple-rules-app-...

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Post by jbverschoor »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #77
c7b wrote: post #64

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If you don't mind trusting another company with forwarding your emails, it's definitely less hassle to set up an equivalent service for yourself.

If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Less private, but the most common case is actually anti-harassment.

Plenty of providers, but perhaps Apple needs to be forced to open up hide-my-email-providers for others.

Only the EU is capable of doing such thing

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Post by gedy »

ivanjermakov wrote: post #50
muse900 wrote: post #24

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Yes but not always applicable unfortunately… e.g. the other day I was in Italy, I needed to park on the publicly available parking which was paid to the municipality. No other parking available anywhere near in 30 mins walking distance. (paid or free) I had to download a 3rd party app that asked me to register. This app isn’t by the Italian government, it’s affiliated though. So in that situation, I want nothing to d…

Have exactly the same situation with parking in Italy. Having a private company operating all paid parking on an island is not very healthy.

It's too bad there's no one willing to be a parking lot attendant on an Italian island.
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