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Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

#181

"Useless" is a leap. The kind of site that would block private relay emails is the kind that was already getting my burner anyway. The private relay is for sites I want to hear from, but also want a failsafe in case they're hacked later.

Exactly. No reasonable business will ban emails from this subdomain.

Thankfully, we live in an unprecedented time of reasonable businesses lead by reasonable people. Close one. Nice save.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

#182

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

Completely agree - have you encountered this before? The Gmail plus sign alias trick has been widely known for a long time and, to my knowledge, still works well today. It would be easy enough for websites to either block + in gmail addresses or instead grab the true email.

Guess what? There are some dumb website or applications complaining that the email address is invalid.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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FWIW it's not a gmail thing for privacy, but rather just part of the email spec. RFC 5233 talks about it. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5233/

Did the RFC editor get a makeover recently? It looks familiar, but also kinda… polished. Neat.

When looking at a document I think it's all distracting/annoying. I still prefer plain text https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5233.txt

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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> If you insist on giving me a fake email, your business is probably a liability I don't want anyway It's not a fake e-mail, it's a legitimate e-mail that you can send e-mail to and the user will receive, which has to be created by a paying iCloud user and not an anonymous rando off the internet. I'd be interested to know what downsides, if any, you see for a website to accept a private e-mail address like this. Do y…

I'm curious what you think the difference is between "a paying iCloud user" and "an anonymous rando off the internet." How many Apple gift cards do you reckon get sent to fraudsters every day? Decades worth of iCloud+ surely. I'm running a business where I need to know who you are, because my platform can be used defraud other people. If you're trying to hide who you are from our very first interaction, that's a mass…

It sounds like you are trying to shoehorn email into some kind of “real person verification” role, when you ought to be doing actual KYC through some provider like ID.me. (If honest to god no-shit fraud is on the table.)

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

#185

If your website will block me out because I used a privacy friendly email, I want nothing to do with your website.

ChatGPT doesn’t allow private relay and hasn’t allowed it since launch may be. So it’s not always possible to not use them, of course now there is no need to use ChatGPT and I have just stopped and moved on from it

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

#186

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If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Are there really? I don't think I've ever encountered such a service in all the years I've been using an email address under my own domain. And blocking every email address that's not from a big provider means blocking basically everyone who tries to sign up with their company email, which might not be great for business.

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Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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If you mean "set up an equivalent service" under your own domain, that's both less private and more likely to be blocked; there are a lot of services which, unfortunately, only allow sign-ups from big, well-known domains.

Are there really? I don't think I've ever encountered such a service in all the years I've been using an email address under my own domain. And blocking every email address that's not from a big provider means blocking basically everyone who tries to sign up with their company email, which might not be great for business.

I've been running my own mailserver on a firstnamelastname.com domain for nearly 15 years.

As far as I can tell, nobody blocks it. Google sometimes rejects emails where the from address doesn't match the real sending address, which is fair.

I guess the first couple of years were rocky, I hadn't figured out DKIM and SPF and all the other blood rituals yet. Back then I got blocked by Steam and banks. But ever since I set up the correct security it's been fine. Been my primary email for a long long time. All my online accounts are tied to it.

Incidentally, I also have free and unlimited aliases. But I don't usually bother because I have a rule to route all messages to unknown addresses into a special folder. I can give out any random address at my domain and it will always make it back to me. So much more convenient than logging into the website to generate an alias.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

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I've had some reject my e-mail address because it contains their company name. REI was one (ie it wouldn't allow rei@domain.com but would accept reicoop@domain.com)

I was just able to create an account using `rei@ ` on rei.com w/o any issues. Now, figuring out how to delete the account is another matter entirely...

Cool, they probably changed it, this was years ago. I've had similar issues with other companies, REI is just the only one I can I really recall right now.

Re: Apple is about to make Hide My Email useless

#190

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Exactly. No reasonable business will ban emails from this subdomain.

Thankfully, we live in an unprecedented time of reasonable businesses lead by reasonable people. Close one. Nice save.

The unreasonable ones get my burner, so whatever
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