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Different network layer, no centralization, no authorities, DNS has nothing to do with making p2p connections, it's like the ballpark is not even in the same country
So it differs in implementation details, not in concept.
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Its amazing to me how people can make a great a product. And then completely bury the lead because they are so deep into the guts of the system You explained the value proposition so well. The website just didnt get to the "why?" At all
> You explained the value proposition so well. No, it didn't. It shifted the burden of learning the value proposition to first knowing what Tailscale is exactly. And a response of "Duh, that's obvious", perhaps indicates being too deep in the guts of tailscale systems.
If you're new to Iroh, my mental model is roughly "Tailscale at the application layer instead of the network layer". If your question is, "why not just use Tailscale?", look at it from an app developer's perspective. If you want to release an app and have instances of your app be able to easily connect to each other, you could theoretically embeded Tailscale functionality into your app, but then the users of your app…
How do I add firewalls and proxies and logging to iroh connections? How do I revoke and re-issue iroh keys? Can I host iroh relays/gateways on my intranet? Until these questions are answered iroh will remain blocked.
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Its amazing to me how people can make a great a product. And then completely bury the lead because they are so deep into the guts of the system You explained the value proposition so well. The website just didnt get to the "why?" At all
That amazement is due to one of our largest and least realized critical mistakes as a civilization: no where are people taught how to effectively communicate. We have entire Colleges of Communications at every university, and what do they teach? How to execute mass manipulation, not how to convey understanding, not how to manage disagreements. These are not "mistakes" either, this distinct lack of teaching real commu…
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Cisco Dynamic Multipoint VPN will start by connecting to a central VPN server and then learn the public IPs of endpoints and automatically create VPN tunnels to them. It can scale to thousands of endpoints.
Presumably this has significant literal costs (because Cisco) and maybe a hardware or virtual-appliance requirement?
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That explanation still seems overly complicated. Iroh isn't a VPN. Iroh just lets apps connect to each other, just like plain old TCP, but without the shackles of NAT, DNS and dynamic IP addresses that made that impossible. It's restoring simple P2P connectivity to the Internet.
And bypass all the firewalls if secret key of target machine is known?
It will work even on very restrictive firewalls. Even if they outright ban UDP packets, we will fall back to the relay connection which is https/websocket.
Note that here is not a single keypair per machine, but per endpoint. You can have multiple endpoints on one machine.
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Its amazing to me how people can make a great a product. And then completely bury the lead because they are so deep into the guts of the system You explained the value proposition so well. The website just didnt get to the "why?" At all
> You explained the value proposition so well. No, it didn't. It shifted the burden of learning the value proposition to first knowing what Tailscale is exactly. And a response of "Duh, that's obvious", perhaps indicates being too deep in the guts of tailscale systems.
Otherwise, everything would end up being a "Thing Explainer"[0].
Congrats! I think you should highlight more the IoT use case, It's a really great solution for devices that need to talk over multiple transports (Lora + IP) and to avoid the need for a VPN.
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So instead of paying a subscription fee to Tailscale to support your distributed application, you pay a subscription fee to Iroh to support your distributed application. ( https://www.iroh.computer/pricing says $19/month for what most people will want to use it for). Either one will allow you to stop "concentrating distributed technology to a handful of centralized owners", but the "why not use tailscale" part of wha…
iroh is fully open source though, you can run your own relay server and not have any dependencies on number0