Are you able to do any form of highly available loadbalancing with this?
Iroh 1.0
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Re: Iroh 1.0
#252> Dial keys Maybe it's in the video I didn't watch, but I really think paragraph one should make clear what kind of keys and why. Cryptographic? Asymmetric? How do they do the job, at even the most basic level? It never explains, just dives into abstract claims of superiority and usage stats. I gather relays are involved; this would be a good thing to mention right away instead of making me sift it from the HN discus…
I saw the video and still have no idea what they are. Also, “never locked in” but then “pricing” and why is one paying for “apps” but self hosting relays?
As I understand it- you can use free community provided relays, self-host your own, or pay for their managed services with an SLA and monitoring built in
Re: Iroh 1.0
#253I am confused why this is needed. > IP addresses can break, without warning, and it's outside of your device's control. We have DNS? > Keys, however, are created & controlled by you. They stay the same as your device moves, and are yours to throw away, or not. So are domain names? This page does not do a good job of helping me find what it is that I'm missing.
Your phone and laptop don't have stable IPs, let alone DNS entries pointing to them.
but dynamic DNS is a thing. I've had setups for it since god knows how long, though admittedly not on my phone.
Re: Iroh 1.0
#254Huge congrats on the release! I'm slowly trying to build an app on Iroh; it's progressing tiny bit by tiny bit, but I must admit I'm struggling a lot all the time, both with various low-level details, as well as with understanding many high-level aspects, concepts, and approaches. Oftentimes I have to resort to some LLM-generated "wiki" websites to help me progress. I really hope you'll manage one day to allocate som…
We started as an IPFS implementation, but since then the scope of iroh has been reduced. Iroh is not IPFS, but more like libp2p. If you want something like a globally distributed internet archive you would have to use protocols on top of iroh. For example iroh-blobs provides verified streaming of content-addressed data using the BLAKE3 tree hash function. It is very close to itself being 1.0 (probably Q3), but for no…
Is content discovery on the official roadmap? If the original peer say peer A goes offline but B downloaded $X, can see find B and download, validate the content today?
Sorry if this has been answered or covered on the web I'm currently travelling.
Edit: I managed to read the linked page, thank you for working on such an amazing project!
Re: Iroh 1.0
#255If you're new to Iroh, my mental model is roughly "Tailscale at the application layer instead of the network layer".
If your question is, "why not just use Tailscale?", look at it from an app developer's perspective. If you want to release an app and have instances of your app be able to easily connect to each other, you could theoretically embeded Tailscale functionality into your app, but then the users of your app need Tailscale accounts, and your app is dependent on Tailscale.
Iroh lets you embed this functionality directly, and provides public fallback relays. If your app gets too big for the public relays, using your own relays is the flip of a switch.
Re: Iroh 1.0
#256I am confused why this is needed. > IP addresses can break, without warning, and it's outside of your device's control. We have DNS? > Keys, however, are created & controlled by you. They stay the same as your device moves, and are yours to throw away, or not. So are domain names? This page does not do a good job of helping me find what it is that I'm missing.
What you're missing is that they can't charge you for IP's, and someone else already charges you for DNS/domains. They would like to replace your IP's with keys they lookup. It's a cool idea and I would expect that they'll find a market, but I'm not sure this would be a breakthrough product for me
that just sounds like DNS but more centralized and not super human-friendly...
Re: Iroh 1.0
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are intended to solve the problem at the OS layer, while Iroh (being a library) does it at the application layer.
Like https://tailscale.com/docs/features/tsnet ?
Similar on the technical level (though QUIC vs WireGuard), but that would make your app dependent on Tailscale, and require your users to have Tailscale accounts. You'd also be limited to Golang currently.
In theory you could run Headscale, but you're really working against Tailscale's intended design at that point, and Iroh was built for this from the ground up, so what is Tailscale buying you?
Re: Iroh 1.0
#258How soon till govporations require that people dial their services by key, issue and treat the keys like passports, and block those who say something against the grain, acess a forbidden site, read a forbidden book, happen to be of wrong nation or otherwise violate ToSes of said govporations?
A wonderful chain to link to the CBDC shackle.
Re: Iroh 1.0
#259If you're new to Iroh, my mental model is roughly "Tailscale at the application layer instead of the network layer". If your question is, "why not just use Tailscale?", look at it from an app developer's perspective. If you want to release an app and have instances of your app be able to easily connect to each other, you could theoretically embeded Tailscale functionality into your app, but then the users of your app…
I understood more about what iroh does with this post then the video :) thanks for the mental model. Now how does iroh accomplish this. Great idea by the way.
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#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
Iroh is QUIC. We are not trying to reinvent the wheel here, just combining existing IETF RFCs in a creative way. Here is a concrete problem we solve. You have one device in your home WLAN behind a NAT. Your other device is in a 4g network, or behind another NAT at work. In most cases we can give you a direct connection between the two devices very quickly via hole punching, so you get the highest possible bandwidth a…
I made a demo showing it work: https://hw-e4592d7e.web.hallway.com/
So iroh.network is something that they maintain like tor or vpn ?