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Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by jusssi »

joxdosba wrote: post #12
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran has been bombed at least twice during negotiations. Surely there is some skepticism that the US will not keep the deal. There is no winning move -which is why this never should have been started. Congress absolutely can and should reject the deal. I thought we were worried about the deficit? Or is that just when the next guy is in charge?

If the congress rejects this deal, it cripples the US ability to negotiate in the future and essentially just forces an unconditional US surrender as nobody has appetite for a ground invasion of Iran. Congress can only sabotage deals like this at an immense cost to the US’s future ability to negotiate anything with anyone, and it certainly can’t sabotage it’s way into a more favourable deal.

I think you're underestimating both the amount of damage Trump has already done for the future ability to negotiate, and the desire of everyone else to be not bombed by the US.

Everyone already knows, any deal with the US does not bind the US, only the other party. But it still might be preferrable to the alternative of no deal at all.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by brewdad »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #8
joxdosba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is congress going to do? Say “never negotiate with the US”? It’s not like congress can very feasibly reject this deal in the end, Iran would just extort the gulf countries and it’d be even harder to sell an intervention.

Iran has been bombed at least twice during negotiations. Surely there is some skepticism that the US will not keep the deal. There is no winning move -which is why this never should have been started. Congress absolutely can and should reject the deal. I thought we were worried about the deficit? Or is that just when the next guy is in charge?

Congress will find a way to make sure this money is paid out in 2029. Then they will blame Democrats for the hole in the budget and our stupid electorate will believe them.

It’s been this way for almost my entire life and I’ll be collecting SS soon.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by fifilura »

mdp2021 wrote: post #19
ciconia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got news for you: that private money - a big chunk of it comes from public funds.

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> Can anybody for f.ing f. f. do something against the snipers who annoy and add nothing to the discussion?

I don't care about your comment but I downvoted you for the rude language.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by marysol5 »

newtonianrules wrote: post #9
bediger4000 wrote: post #6

Why was it bad for Obama to release much less than this to assure the earlier joint agreement? We heard a lot about how bad that was. Pallets of cash they said, real bad.

Because Democrats are held to different standards. I mean just look at the last year.

And they also have no teeth, even now. They still play this "we must reach across the aisle" stuff.

And the worlds shortest memories. They literally re-hashed a conspiracy from 2008 at the fight....

Democrats can't even remember a Republican scandal from 2 weeks ago

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by vintermann »

mdp2021 wrote: post #5

I would campaign that the deal be fulfilled with private money instead of public funds. (Or, act to show - roots and consequences - that this should be the proper procedure.)

Don't worry, nothing this administration says to Iran means anything.

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Post by srean »

marysol5 wrote: post #24
newtonianrules wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Democrats are held to different standards. I mean just look at the last year.

And they also have no teeth, even now. They still play this "we must reach across the aisle" stuff. And the worlds shortest memories. They literally re-hashed a conspiracy from 2008 at the fight.... Democrats can't even remember a Republican scandal from 2 weeks ago

And when they come in power it's not that they will hold any one accountable -- looking at Obama's administration.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

erentz wrote: post #17

This would be an incredible $1,800 from each taxpayer sent overseas to the Iranian regime. On top of what’s already been spent and the inflation caused. In any other time in history just this alone (ignoring all the other scandals) would lead to something like a landslide 100 seat swing in the house. The fact polls show we’ll be lucky to see 10 seats switch shows how incredibly broken our information environment has…

Sustained flooding the zone and abject denial over multiple years really is an unmatched cognitive warfare strategy isn't it. It's incredible how so many of us are tricked by something so primitive.
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