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Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by joxdosba »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #10
joxdosba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is congress going to do? Say “never negotiate with the US”? It’s not like congress can very feasibly reject this deal in the end, Iran would just extort the gulf countries and it’d be even harder to sell an intervention.

The article says "funded by the gulf coast coalition" so it doesn't sound like they're planning on asking Congress. No way congress passes that appropriation. They wouldn't pass the first JCPOA which is why Trump could shred it so easily.

>No way congress passes that appropriation

No way congress passes an appropriation you just invented, which even the most optimistic Iranian propagandists are not claiming to be happening?

I mean yeah. Most random things you can come up with are likely to be things that congress will never pass.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by joxdosba »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #8
joxdosba wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is congress going to do? Say “never negotiate with the US”? It’s not like congress can very feasibly reject this deal in the end, Iran would just extort the gulf countries and it’d be even harder to sell an intervention.

Iran has been bombed at least twice during negotiations. Surely there is some skepticism that the US will not keep the deal. There is no winning move -which is why this never should have been started. Congress absolutely can and should reject the deal. I thought we were worried about the deficit? Or is that just when the next guy is in charge?

If the congress rejects this deal, it cripples the US ability to negotiate in the future and essentially just forces an unconditional US surrender as nobody has appetite for a ground invasion of Iran.

Congress can only sabotage deals like this at an immense cost to the US’s future ability to negotiate anything with anyone, and it certainly can’t sabotage it’s way into a more favourable deal.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by nixon_why69 »

joxdosba wrote: post #11
nixon_why69 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says "funded by the gulf coast coalition" so it doesn't sound like they're planning on asking Congress. No way congress passes that appropriation. They wouldn't pass the first JCPOA which is why Trump could shred it so easily.

>No way congress passes that appropriation No way congress passes an appropriation you just invented, which even the most optimistic Iranian propagandists are not claiming to be happening? I mean yeah. Most random things you can come up with are likely to be things that congress will never pass.

Who invented? It's the headline of the article, attributed to Vance. Yes, there's been a lot of conflicting messaging about it.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by joxdosba »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #13
joxdosba wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No way congress passes that appropriation No way congress passes an appropriation you just invented, which even the most optimistic Iranian propagandists are not claiming to be happening? I mean yeah. Most random things you can come up with are likely to be things that congress will never pass.

Who invented? It's the headline of the article, attributed to Vance. Yes, there's been a lot of conflicting messaging about it.

It’s the Trump admin signature big number that goes on all documents, not a reference to real money that exists or is genuinely expected to exist.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by nixon_why69 »

joxdosba wrote: post #14
nixon_why69 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who invented? It's the headline of the article, attributed to Vance. Yes, there's been a lot of conflicting messaging about it.

It’s the Trump admin signature big number that goes on all documents, not a reference to real money that exists or is genuinely expected to exist.

Sure, I'm just saying congress wouldn't fund that if asked.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by joxdosba »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #15
joxdosba wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s the Trump admin signature big number that goes on all documents, not a reference to real money that exists or is genuinely expected to exist.

Sure, I'm just saying congress wouldn't fund that if asked.

Of course they wouldn’t, the admin is claiming the seemingly non-existent ”gulf coast coalition” will fund it.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by erentz »

This would be an incredible $1,800 from each taxpayer sent overseas to the Iranian regime. On top of what’s already been spent and the inflation caused. In any other time in history just this alone (ignoring all the other scandals) would lead to something like a landslide 100 seat swing in the house. The fact polls show we’ll be lucky to see 10 seats switch shows how incredibly broken our information environment has become.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by ciconia »

mdp2021 wrote: post #5

I would campaign that the deal be fulfilled with private money instead of public funds. (Or, act to show - roots and consequences - that this should be the proper procedure.)

I got news for you: that private money - a big chunk of it comes from public funds.

Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by mdp2021 »

ciconia wrote: post #18
mdp2021 wrote: post #5

I would campaign that the deal be fulfilled with private money instead of public funds. (Or, act to show - roots and consequences - that this should be the proper procedure.)

I got news for you: that private money - a big chunk of it comes from public funds.

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Re: Vance: Iran can have access to $300B reconstruction fund

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

bediger4000 wrote: post #6

Why was it bad for Obama to release much less than this to assure the earlier joint agreement? We heard a lot about how bad that was. Pallets of cash they said, real bad.

Trump has never felt any shame for hypocrisy. Or any shame at all actually.
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