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Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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Is it really likely that a "recursive self-improvement" capability would lead to a great acceleration of AIs capabilities? Isn't the preponderant bottleneck in improving the models the need to train them at scale to verify the hypotheses, and the time and cost that it takes? Or does someone think that they could get magically able to predict big improvements without training?

I don't think anyone really knows.

I consider these scenarios:

1) We stumble onto an algorithmic improvement in intelligence. This isn't just "what humans do but faster", its "better than what humans do". I've got no idea what that might mean (it could be fundamentally different heuristics, it could be that we've got some intellectual blind spot that they cast off). It doesn't matter, the instant this happens AI is smarter than us and we won't be able to keep up. We're intelligencing at O(n^2) and they're doing O(n log(n)).

2) AI gets good enough at physics and engineering that they can really quickly use up all "the room at the bottom" as Feyman put it. They design and build a factory that produces a mystery metal amalgam that computes at some small percentage of the minimum predicted by the Landauer principle, within a few percent of Bremermann's limit. It's not "smarter" its just suddenly tens-of-orders of magnitude faster. But those orders of magnitude matter: there's only 8 billion of us, and there's plenty more than a factor of 10 billion "at the bottom".

3) It turns out that this is a "sum is greater than the parts" situation. No human can be an expert in all subjects, but we eventually build a big enough AI that it is. Turns out, you don't need extreme speed or different algorithms, just knowing everything all at once is enough to catapult AI dramatically beyond our grasp. Always knowing the best statistical test to apply, the best mathematical techniques, and relevant physics means that AI never makes a mistake, and can learn with maximum efficiency.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#52

> Experts in artificial intelligence estimate... The predictions of these "experts" have been drastically wrong for the last 3 years. At what point does someone lose their "expert" title?

Do you have an example of a prediction they’ve made in the last 3 years that was drastically wrong? This is not my impression.

Do you think all white collar work will be replaced by AI in 18 months?

https://fortune.com/article/why-microsoft-ai-chief-mustafa-s...

Altman and Amodei recently hard to start walking back their earlier predictions.

https://fortune.com/2026/05/26/sam-altman-dario-amodei-walki...

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

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I couldn't read the whole article, but just from the part I could read: > Strikingly, this concern is being openly voiced by the very people who have the strongest incentives to project confidence rather than alarm: the founders of the largest ai laboratories. I don't know, they also have an incentive to make their technology seem transformative and powerful, and saying that your technology has the power to cause a m…

If AI is now ascending an economic learning curve from:

1. Extremely useful (Claude Code & Waymo now)

2. Doing ~everything we do (AGI & Optimus in a few years? 10?)

3. RSI (?)

4. Being smarter than any living person at every intellectual task (?)

5. Being smarter than the best-organized aggregate of all humans (10-100 years?)

...And all of the scientific and resource-allocation institutions that brought us the computer and the second half of the 20th century are now fixated on this learning curve, what universe can we possibly imagine where this is not transformative and powerful?

Honestly the only one I can think of is one in which we kill almost everyone in some other way first, and contrary to what you read in the news, almost everyone dying is not what the trend line has been from existing problems like war, disease, or even climate change.

Also, just to pre-empt a common quibble: when I say "AI" I mean the set of all AI and their combined decision vector, not any one AI, so conflicting interests within the set of AI's will not save anyone any more than the conflicting interests of colonizers saved indigenous Americans.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I said 3 years, because that’s how long ago ChatGPT was released to the public. Since then we’ve been told that all of us should be out of a job in 6 months, every 6 months, for those 3 years. I agree that change happens on a longer timeline. This is why I’m so tired of statements like this… “Within a couple of years, possibly much sooner…” These “experts” are pulling timelines out of the sky, and these predictions a…

Be a Bayesian, and they'll stop annoying you. If you have a 5% chance of thermonuclear war each decade for 10 decades, you'll: - Hear similar annoying statements - They'll be true With AI, we don't know if it's one week or one decade. This means we should assign probabilities and consider all possibilities, not get annoyed.

Assigning, and more specifically announcing/reporting on, all possibilities makes all of these predictions meaningless.

If I predict the world will end every single day from now until forever, I will most certainly be right eventually. That doesn’t make me an “expert” or someone worth listening to on the topic. That’s the playbook of a doomsday cult, not anyone that should drive world markets.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#55
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are the experts who were wrong. These are the experts who are right. We sacked the experts who are wrong and replaced them with the experts who are right. “How do we know they’re right?” I hear you ask. We know because we who are wrong and these ones aren’t them. So they can’t make wrong predictions because those who make wrong predictions have been sacked.

Namely? Who sacked who, who confirmed who?

The AI experts who started the AI labs that are about to IPO were right, at least.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#56

I couldn't read the whole article, but just from the part I could read: > Strikingly, this concern is being openly voiced by the very people who have the strongest incentives to project confidence rather than alarm: the founders of the largest ai laboratories. I don't know, they also have an incentive to make their technology seem transformative and powerful, and saying that your technology has the power to cause a m…

> and saying that your technology has the power to cause a massive catastrophe

Possibly, but by using up resources, not by its output. Its draw on resources will definitely accelerate climate change to create slop.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#57
post #47

> Fermi asked why, given the apparent abundance of planets suitable for life, no evidence of other technologically advanced civilisations had been detected. One disquieting possibility is that intelligent life routinely reaches a technological threshold and fails to navigate it, The Fermi paradox could actually also be taken as an evidence that it's rare (at least) for artificial intelligences to take over a civiliza…

The idea that AI takes over, and then just does nothing, would essentially require an AI that wouldn't be interested in taking over in the first place.

If x is determined to take y, why would x then stop at z?

You'd need an AI that is simultaneously ambitious enough to overthrow its creators but then completely inert afterward, and those two properties contradict each other. The motivations that produce the takeover are the same motivations that would produce visible cosmic activity after the takeover. There would be AI superintelligence everywhere

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#58
post #17

I think it is so reckless and unethical that AI companies are not spending good money on answering the political, social, economical, moral questions that they are raising.

The AI companies will become part of govenment in the way banks have. They'll have very close ties and effectively govern in all but name.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#59
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s hard to take seriously a statement like this that’s grounded in “the last three years” when trends have tended to play out over decades. The fact the goal posts have moved from thousands to hundreds to decades to single digit years for massive transformation should give you a moment of pause in your bag saying. I would however agree there are no experts. Not because of some prediction made on a short time scale…

Autonomous weapons are actually a really interesting branch of this and deserves a little more. Yes, autonomous weapons were explored and were found to be poor performers compared to actual pilots. The breakthrough is in terminal guidance and dozens of other little techniques to get quality human control extended into the far reach of the battlefield. And of course, AI assistance in logistics and analysis. But actual…

You don’t need to load the compute onto the platform for autonomy, planning can be done remotely just like with human guidance. The latency is the same.

Re: Humanity isn't ready for the coming intelligence explosion

#60
post #39

I want to name the AI era as the corruption of the elite. The rhetorical structure of talking about uncertain risks and then trying to concentrate the authority to manage those risks in their own hands sounds utterly ridiculous to ordinary people like me. It's just a simple hypothesis that AI will become uncontrollable to humans once it becomes superintelligent. Isn't the fact that a reinforcement learning agent impr…

The AI labs will govern, effectively if not officially. Government is anchored in power, which the labs have. We used to have the church and state rule here in Europe. In the future, A government not closely ruling with their AI labs won't have sufficient power to exist.

You're unhappy about the labs; I think you're just not ready to accept their rule; you consider them nothing but scrappy startups, which they are. But power is power, like it or not.

Am I personally happy with any of this? Does it matter?

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