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Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by DaSHacka »

dormento wrote: post #83
lukeify wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People always seem surprised when someone in CS or SWE doesn't care for anime or cutesy pictorial graphics of girls.

It also serves as a sort of "chud defense", in a way. I like it.

If anything, its the opposite, going by the number of users with anime girl pfps on Twitter and other social media posting slurs and bigotry.

It's moreso only a loose indicator the user is between the ages of 14-30, if anything.

Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by jamesfinlayson »

linsomniac wrote: post #84
TacticalCoder wrote: post #34

> Linux 7.1 is also notable for its code removals. Driven by AI-assisted bug reporting, ISDN and other old network driver code was removed to avoid that influx of bug reporting against those very rarely touched or used drivers for obsolete hardware. Moving really old and unused code out of the kernel just to get less AI-assisted bug reports is IMO one of the best consequence ever of AI. I love it. We should start tri…

>We should start trimming the fat out of everything. "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry One of my buddies was infamous for a while for being the "I deleted X lines of code today" guy.

I remember working with a guy who apparently deleted more code than he added in his time at the company. I think it said more about the codebase than anything but it was good that someone was trying to make it better.

Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by joecool1029 »

smetannik wrote: post #85

Looking forward for a new NTFS driver to try. I hope this new iteration will be better than ntfs3 from Paragon.

It’s good. I packaged it in my gentoo overlay and have been using it for a couple months, none of the weird issues ntfs3 had.

Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by SoftTalker »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #34

> Linux 7.1 is also notable for its code removals. Driven by AI-assisted bug reporting, ISDN and other old network driver code was removed to avoid that influx of bug reporting against those very rarely touched or used drivers for obsolete hardware. Moving really old and unused code out of the kernel just to get less AI-assisted bug reports is IMO one of the best consequence ever of AI. I love it. We should start tri…

This is the sort of thinking that had organizations buying all new desktops because the perfectly working ones they had won't run Windows 11.

I have 10 year old servers I'm still using because they run fine with linux.

Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by asgraham »

dormento wrote: post #82
asgraham wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the parent really being sarcastic? I read it as genuine. There’s presumably plenty of code bloat in the kernel, and while no human would ever scan for bugs in a corner of the kernel that hasn’t been used or touched in decades, AI 100% will. And while those bug reports might be useless as bug reports, they seem promising as “why is this code even here?” flags.

I don't mean to be harsh, but if there's a codepath that is exercised on your hardware, but not on mine, I don't think it would be fair for me to deem it as "bloat". There are a TON of supported devices and use cases that are not my own, but are essential to someone else.

Sure, sure. I’m not arguing for removing drivers for uncommon devices, or even rare devices. But there’s a line somewhere. Maybe it’s at “devices that no longer exist.” But I think it’s somewhere before that. And I have no idea how you’d figure out which devices fall where around this hypothetical line. I can only hope that they had good justification for these removals.

Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by _carbyau_ »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #34

> Linux 7.1 is also notable for its code removals. Driven by AI-assisted bug reporting, ISDN and other old network driver code was removed to avoid that influx of bug reporting against those very rarely touched or used drivers for obsolete hardware. Moving really old and unused code out of the kernel just to get less AI-assisted bug reports is IMO one of the best consequence ever of AI. I love it. We should start tri…

> very rarely touched or used drivers for obsolete hardware

I guess end users can not upgrade but a definition of obsolete would be nice.

To me, every HP printer ever is obsolete. But I assume someone else has an equally valid and different opinion. How does that go with computer hardware?

Re: Linux 7.1

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Post by echelon »

SoftTalker wrote: post #94
TacticalCoder wrote: post #34

> Linux 7.1 is also notable for its code removals. Driven by AI-assisted bug reporting, ISDN and other old network driver code was removed to avoid that influx of bug reporting against those very rarely touched or used drivers for obsolete hardware. Moving really old and unused code out of the kernel just to get less AI-assisted bug reports is IMO one of the best consequence ever of AI. I love it. We should start tri…

This is the sort of thinking that had organizations buying all new desktops because the perfectly working ones they had won't run Windows 11. I have 10 year old servers I'm still using because they run fine with linux.

That's good for your personal computing, but a renewing forest fire is good for all sorts of organizations. And species. It's a very good algorithm to run.

It's naturally de-ossifying and forces uptake of new methods and practices.

It gives you an opportunity to question assumptions and do things greenfield again.

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