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Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by ndiddy » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:02 AM UTC

theturtletalks wrote: post #42

compass_copium wrote: post #28

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From Al Jazeera: >According to remarks carried by the Tasnim news agency, Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Kazem Gharibabadi said negotiations for a final deal will be held during a 60-day period, after verifying that the US implemented its commitments under the deal, including ending hostilities, lifting the blockade, and releasing frozen assets. So, it's an even worse position for the US than before launching the wa…

Didn’t Iran consider their previous US negotiations a sham? Why would they believe them this time? Feels like the US wants to approach them with these deals, reneg, and once Iran is like we don’t want anymore deals, then the US can point to them and be like, see they don’t want peace.

For one thing, the US has agreed to give Iran $12 billion of their frozen assets before negotiations start, and another $12 billion during the 60 day negotiation period. When you repeatedly bomb the other side while prior negotiations were ongoing, before having to conclude that a negotiated settlement is the only way out of this, you have to make big concessions to even get the other side to the negotiating table.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by hypeatei » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:05 AM UTC

tristanj wrote: post #143

hypeatei wrote: post #136

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> The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons According to whom? I know there's one country who says Iran is two weeks away from nuclear weapons, but who else?

According to Ali Motahari, a former member of the parliament of Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Motahari Former Iranian Majles member Ali Motahari said in an April 24, 2022 interview on ISCA News (Iran) that when Iran began developing its nuclear program, the goal was to build a nuclear bomb. He said that there is no need to beat around the bush, and that the bomb would have been used as a "means of intimidat…

> a former member of the parliament of Iran

He wasn't a member at the time of those statements nor did he have any involvement in their nuclear program. That's misleading to say the least.

Ali Motahari—former member of Iran’s Parliament—clarified that the interview dates back to May 2022, when he neither held a parliamentary seat nor any official role in nuclear affairs.[0]

So besides a single guy in Iran, are there official delegations that have concluded Iran was developing nuclear weapons? The US has had two National Intelligence Estimates, which consists of all 18 agencies in the intelligence community, conclude that they were not developing nukes.

0: https://wanaen.com/trump-shares-old-ali-motahari-interview-o...

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by blactuary » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:07 AM UTC

tristanj wrote: post #120

wolvoleo wrote: post #80

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It did to weapons grade. It only permitted enrichment for energy purposes. And was validated by inspections. The current crisis is entirely because Trump trashed that agreement in the first place.

The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. That's the root issue. JCPOA was never a permanent solution. Under JCPOA, Iran agreed to temporarily cap enrichment for 15 years until 2030. After which, Iran could enrich freely. JCPOA had no extension framework, the deal could not be extended without being renegotiated. And Iranian officials refused to agree to permanent enrichment caps, they said the 15-y…

The experience of the last 10 years with these dingbats in charge is an incentive for every country to pursue their own nukes

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by defrost » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:15 AM UTC

hypeatei wrote: post #152

tristanj wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Ali Motahari, a former member of the parliament of Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Motahari Former Iranian Majles member Ali Motahari said in an April 24, 2022 interview on ISCA News (Iran) that when Iran began developing its nuclear program, the goal was to build a nuclear bomb. He said that there is no need to beat around the bush, and that the bomb would have been used as a "means of intimidat…

> a former member of the parliament of Iran He wasn't a member at the time of those statements nor did he have any involvement in their nuclear program. That's misleading to say the least. Ali Motahari—former member of Iran’s Parliament—clarified that the interview dates back to May 2022, when he neither held a parliamentary seat nor any official role in nuclear affairs. [0] So besides a single guy in Iran, are there…

For unrelated reasons I personally don't believe Iran was ever pursuing a nuclear weapon, just edging enrichment for leverage.

That said, this:

  The US has had two National Intelligence Estimates, which consists of all 18 agencies in the intelligence community, conclude that they were not developing nukes.

has little weight given these were / are the same US intell agencies that were blindsided and caught pants down unaware and in the dark about the 1998 India / Pakistan nuclear test exchange.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by cosmicgadget » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:19 AM UTC

ep103 wrote: post #107

mostafah wrote: post #94

> Tehran agrees that it will neither produce nor acquire nuclear weapons. Of course they do. They have always said they don’t want nuclear weapons while pursuing them relentlessly. > Iran’s nuclear programme, uranium enrichment activities and mechanisms for handling its stockpile of highly enriched uranium would be negotiated within 60 days of the memorandum and addressed in a final agreement. If that is still to be…

Trump released Iran's frozen assets, in return for them opening the straight and thereby dropping oil prices before the midterm elections. Reminder, the reason Trump hated the Obama deal was because he construed it as paying Iran not to develop nuclear weapons. Obama was paying Iran with the money from Iran's frozen assets. Trump's deal gives them that money, and has no nuclear agreement.

He didn't hate the Obama deal, he hated Obama therefore everything he does has to be criticized and torn down. If that deal had Iran paying the US, Trump would have said the color of the money was no good. And his supporters would eat it up.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by tristanj » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:22 AM UTC

hypeatei wrote: post #152

tristanj wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Ali Motahari, a former member of the parliament of Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Motahari Former Iranian Majles member Ali Motahari said in an April 24, 2022 interview on ISCA News (Iran) that when Iran began developing its nuclear program, the goal was to build a nuclear bomb. He said that there is no need to beat around the bush, and that the bomb would have been used as a "means of intimidat…

> a former member of the parliament of Iran He wasn't a member at the time of those statements nor did he have any involvement in their nuclear program. That's misleading to say the least. Ali Motahari—former member of Iran’s Parliament—clarified that the interview dates back to May 2022, when he neither held a parliamentary seat nor any official role in nuclear affairs. [0] So besides a single guy in Iran, are there…

> "conclude that they were not developing nukes."

You're misreading your own sources. The 2007 NIE and Gabbard's 2025 testimony both describe a nuclear weapons program that Iran "suspended in 2003". They confirm a nuclear weapons program existed, the opposite of what you're claiming.

And you want an official source: the IAEA concluded in May 2025 that Iran ran an "undeclared structured nuclear program" until the early 2000s using undeclared material. Then it found Iran in formal non-compliance in June of last year.

"Not building a warhead today" and "never pursued weapons" are different claims, and you swapped one for the other.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/iaea-director-gen...

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by cosmicgadget » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:25 AM UTC

tristanj wrote: post #141

defrost wrote: post #134

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Unless agreements are renegotiated and extended, of course. What matters is ongoing engagement and monitoring, it's a far more tractable position than standoffs with zero knowledge or interaction.

The core reason those sunset dates exist is because Iranian officials stated that a sunset on enrichment limits was a non-negotiable. They would not sign a deal without them. Claiming "agreements are renegotiated and extended" is hypothetical. What incentive does Iran have to agree to enrichment caps post-2030? Why would Iran give up its strongest negotiating card, its nuclear program?

For the same reasons it temporarily gave it up before?

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by cosmicgadget » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:37 AM UTC

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #87

woodruffw wrote: post #7

Are the terms of the deal public yet? If they're essentially a return to the status quo ante bellum, that would be a pretty embarrassing conclusion for the US (and would presumably further harden any belief within Iran that the only permanent regime-preserving solution involves accelerating the process of obtaining nuclear weapons).

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Maybe in the post-Putin power vacuum they'll have another option.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by tristanj » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:41 AM UTC

cosmicgadget wrote: post #157

tristanj wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The core reason those sunset dates exist is because Iranian officials stated that a sunset on enrichment limits was a non-negotiable. They would not sign a deal without them. Claiming "agreements are renegotiated and extended" is hypothetical. What incentive does Iran have to agree to enrichment caps post-2030? Why would Iran give up its strongest negotiating card, its nuclear program?

For the same reasons it temporarily gave it up before?

Under JCPOA, Iran capped its nuclear program for 15 years in exchange for:

* Global sanctions relief

* $100-150 billion in frozen assets

* Access to the global oil market

Iran in 2030 under JCPOA already has access to all three. The US already played its best cards to get Iran to agree to JCPOA. The US has little new to offer, other than resumed sanctions.

Re: US and Iran announce deal to end military operations

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Post by foogazi » Mon, Jun 15, 2026, 1:47 AM UTC

gyanchawdhary wrote: post #87

woodruffw wrote: post #7

Are the terms of the deal public yet? If they're essentially a return to the status quo ante bellum, that would be a pretty embarrassing conclusion for the US (and would presumably further harden any belief within Iran that the only permanent regime-preserving solution involves accelerating the process of obtaining nuclear weapons).

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Why is Iran getting any money out of this ?

How do they still have any cards ?