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I think the Obama prize was just a reaction to how terrible the Bush administration was, not that he actually deserved it.
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I think the Obama prize was just a reaction to how terrible the Bush administration was, not that he actually deserved it.
Somewhere it's written that he and his team discussed internally about refusing it, but thought that action would be considered arrogant and diplomatically bad form.
Meanwhile 17 years later...
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#113We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to completely destroy the theocratic regime and we did not finish the job. This "deal" (or what transpired of it) is pathetic and will only allow the mullahs to rearm and come back stronger in the future. We will live to regret not resuming combat operations and weakening the regime until it isn't a threat to anyone.
That would require an invading force. Not worth it when we could keep Iran isolated and under sanctions and under nuclear inspections by doing nothing.
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I have it on good authority that Iran doesn’t know where all the mines are buried.
I have it on good authority there are still ww1 mines in the North Sea. Mines drift. At best you know the co-ordinates of where you released them from a ship.
Yeah, the difference is these were laid months ago.
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Iran was fully abiding by the JCPOA (Obama Iran deal) until Trump pulled out in his first term. Trump hates Obama so that was entirely out of spite. What is surprising is how co-opted the Biden admin was by Israel, that they didn't even bother to even consider reentering it despite it being a Democratic party "win" when it was first announced.
Except Biden did try to restart the talks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_rel...
No, they tried to negotiate a new deal, not go back to the one they had agreed to. Why would Iran trust any new negotiations?
Iran was naive enough to trust the US twice in the last year and HAD THEIR NEGOTIATING TEAM BOMBED! I'm shocked they even trust the US to hold up to the deal they signed today. I'm guessing US concessions on frozen assets was just too much to pass up.
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It's much worse than that. This gives Iran de jure control of traffic in the strait.
iran has defacto control over traffic in the strait. what changes?
A toll booth.
There have been persistent rumours that Iran will be allowed to charge new "environmental fees" for access, "to protect the ecosystem of the Strait" or somesuch.
(Secretary of War and former Fox News weekend anchor Pete Hegseth was on the news just this evening saying that the USA has been in control of the Strait the whole time, so I think the USA is arguing against your (correct) characterisation of the situation.)
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It's much worse than that. This gives Iran de jure control of traffic in the strait.
How so? Trump Claims Strait Will be ‘Permanently Toll Free’ Under Agreement With Iran (NYT headline).
The persistent rumour about this deal process is that Iran will charge "environmental fees".
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#118Confirmation from Iran's Security Council.[1]
It's just a 60-day cease fire extension, according to the New York Times.
Trump posted something on Truth Social. There's no announcement on the U.S. Department of State site. That's full of a deal between the US Government and the Ultimate Fighting Championship people.
Compare with the April 8th ceasefire.[2]
Al Jazeera, which reports on this in detail because their readership is in the target area, is trying to figure it out.[3]
[1] https://www.iranintl.com/en/liveblog/202606139149
[2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/4/8/us-iran-ceasefire-de...
[3] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/14/will-the-us-iran-de...
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The original Obama deal kept Iran isolated and their nuclear stockpile limited. It didn't do anything for the Iranian people and that's tragic but until trump it wasn't the west's problem. The decades of negotiations was to everyone's benefit (except the Iranian people) Now it is the wests problem (with the strait) but even now no one is going to send an army to Iran. I know my views are probably overly simplistic.
I would bet considerable sums of money that this deal is also not going to do anything for the Iranian people.
It actually does, how about not dying from US/Israeli bombs? People tend to forget there is a human cost to this and not only oil and money involved. There are 3.5k people dead in Iran many more injured. The US killed indian sailors in the last couple of days, guess the remaining ones will be happy to not live with this danger.
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Obama's agreement didn't stop enrichment, leading to the current crisis.
It did to weapons grade. It only permitted enrichment for energy purposes. And was validated by inspections. The current crisis is entirely because Trump trashed that agreement in the first place.
The crisis exists because Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. That's the root issue.
JCPOA was never a permanent solution. Under JCPOA, Iran agreed to temporarily cap enrichment for 15 years until 2030. After which, Iran could enrich freely.
JCPOA had no extension framework, the deal could not be extended without being renegotiated. And Iranian officials refused to agree to permanent enrichment caps, they said the 15-year sunset on enrichment was a non-negotiable.