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Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Pure bullshit. Even the Swiss tabloid don't invent "rumours" as ludicrous as your anti-indian lie.

The amount of xenophobia, generally coming from very non-native, non-Cherokee or very non-Apache American individuals is absurd.

_Immigration is only cool as long as it's my favourite ethnic groups_ state of mind.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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While they're at it, they should kick out the French, the Germans, the Italians, and any other immigrants refusing to speak Swiss.

> While they're at it, they should kick out the French, the Germans, the Italians, and any other immigrants refusing to speak Swiss.

What's this Swiss language you speak of? I never heard of it. You must mean Romansh but that's only 0.5% of the population or so. You'd have to kick out 95.5% of the Swiss population too then?

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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> It's a trend that is growing all over Europe The current system permitting freedom of movement across the continent while devolving immigration policy entirely to members creates a fundamental tension the EU needs to resolve. Because otherwise, Berlin can basically dictate EU immigration single handedly, which is bound to generate backlash even if they run a perfect programme.

To me it seems like EU countries are independently embarking on the Canada-policy of importing a whole bunch of South East Asians and Latin Americans. From Hungary to Ireland, you see the same trend. Part of it is by economic necessity. For example finding nursing staff is very challenging and you have to compete with the US and Australia and other rich countries. But part of it doesn't make much sense. We really don…

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Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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So what? I despise such openly xenophobic posts. And Indian immigration tends to be the most educated and wealthy. It's also the wealthiest ethnic group in the US. By far. In any case, leaving Schengen for Switzerland would be de facto equivalent to Brexit, an economic disaster. Switzerland thrives by attracting highly qualified professionals for it's service and manufacturing industries and yes, also at the lower en…

Maybe they prefer living amongst themselves than make number go to the moon. If these guys are such GDP rocket fuel and a solution, they can make their own country the best in the world.

I visited few times and I like the country but I don't expect them to accept or cater to me.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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While they're at it, they should kick out the French, the Germans, the Italians, and any other immigrants refusing to speak Swiss.

> While they're at it, they should kick out the French, the Germans, the Italians, and any other immigrants refusing to speak Swiss. What's this Swiss language you speak of? I never heard of it. You must mean Romansh but that's only 0.5% of the population or so. You'd have to kick out 95.5% of the Swiss population too then?

That’s their point. Switzerland is a nation of immigrants. We don’t tend to be portrayed as such outside. And the SVP tends to forget this. (As does the GOP.)

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Maybe a personal analysis: It's a trend that is growing all over Europe. It's the equivalent of overtourism and a problem for the ruling parties (except the SVP that proposed it). Expect it to continue quite soon in Switzerland and other European countries (France, Germany etc.). Of course it doesn't make sense to curb immigration at 10 Mio and many know it. It was also for many a vote against the ruling parties. Alt…

> It's a trend that is growing all over Europe The current system permitting freedom of movement across the continent while devolving immigration policy entirely to members creates a fundamental tension the EU needs to resolve. Because otherwise, Berlin can basically dictate EU immigration single handedly, which is bound to generate backlash even if they run a perfect programme.

I think this somewhat federation causes problems similar (by design!) to those that the Federal System within the United States encourages. The "finger pointing" allows for status quo to carry on as usual, while the overlapping & glacial judicial systems legislate glacially from their antiquated benches...

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Hopefully we can all take inspiration from the living memories of balkanization – smaller groups, hopefully with shared interests and common backgrounds, ought to be in charge of themselves; and themselves, only.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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I don't get why they would want to do this, when runaway depopulation is the biggest issue facing the world. We're at a point where (I think, controversially) we need to sanction (or more) nations that aren't increasing their population annually. This is an existential threat facing the human race.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Never heard of a hard limit on population. What happens if you go over? It was terrible for girls born in China when they had their one child limit.

Nothing. It was an initiative to limit immigration, by a xenophobic party.

They don't give a damn if you have 13 children, they don't want brown people in Switzerland.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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> in aggregate only around 3-5% of the total population needs to flip in it's opinions for CHexit to happen If the marketing were less xenophobic and the cap were derived from some scientific basis, I think I could be persuaded to vote for it. Particularly since it is not a vote for Chexit, but a democratic vote to confront the EU. (Britain triggered Article 50. Nothing in this referendum directs Berne to do that.)

> a democratic vote to confront the EU In what way? It is a vote to adopt a policy that is in breach of your international treaty obligations. Unilaterally breaching your obligations is not a grounds for discussion or compromise, it is simply an exit from them, benefits included. Suppose you're not getting on with your roommate. You could talk to them and try to resolve the problems, or you could default on your leas…

> It is a vote to adopt a policy that is in breach of your international treaty obligations

It was a vote to renegotiate them under threat of disavowing them. That’s fine.

> You could talk to them and try to resolve the problems, or you could default on your lease and receive an eviction notice from the landlord

It’s totally fair, during those talks, to make clear that if you can’t reach an agreement on the roommate not doing their dishes, you’re prepared to move out. (That doesn’t commit you to moving out if they refuse to budge.)

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