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Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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> Swiss citizens have rejected by a 55% majority... This is still very close for comfort, and SVP will re-propose it again and again and again as it and it's predecessors have done for decades.

Only 58% of the voters voted. 55% no is… ok? Typical for such votes? But of course, the SVP have been launching the same initiative since the 70s, they are unlikely to stop now.

maybe next time it will be 11M

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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In Europe the right doesn't really care about abortion that much, its not really something i hear parties discuss. Their main focal point is immigration, anti-muslim sentiment.

The left can be for reduction of GLOBAL human growth, but still increase LOCAL growth, which is primarily caused by immigration not birthrate.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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> Swiss citizens have rejected by a 55% majority... This is still very close for comfort, and SVP will re-propose it again and again and again as it and it's predecessors have done for decades.

Only 58% of the voters voted. 55% no is… ok? Typical for such votes? But of course, the SVP have been launching the same initiative since the 70s, they are unlikely to stop now.

>55% no is… ok? Typical for such votes?

Very typical, and even higher than usual.

The Swiss have votations all the time. They also can vote by mail. Those who didn't vote had no opinion, or no strong opinion, on the matter.

Also, cities who should suffer the most of overcrowding by immigrants voted against, as well as cantons situated at the border, while the backcountry who never see any immigrant voted in favor.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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I'm assuming that this is a proxy for an immigration debate if that's how the left and right split

Yes, but not just “immigration”, but open borders with the EU: most immigrants in Switzerland are EU citizens, and it fits in a broader framework of Swiss-European agreement, capping population would almost certainly imply withdrawal from this framework.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Maybe a personal analysis: It's a trend that is growing all over Europe. It's the equivalent of overtourism and a problem for the ruling parties (except the SVP that proposed it). Expect it to continue quite soon in Switzerland and other European countries (France, Germany etc.). Of course it doesn't make sense to curb immigration at 10 Mio and many know it. It was also for many a vote against the ruling parties. Although Switzerland is an immigration country, Swiss don't think this way. It's more farmer/alpine style: Welcome guests but expect them to leave again. Many Swiss also don't interact with foreigners a lot, including myself (besides at work). Many of my friends don't want to give up their prosperity. They are fairly advanced in their career and it's more about enjoying life. So for many of them it's more a rational decision than really a belief we should have more immigration. As long as I can benefit, it's good. For younger people it may be different. My wife, who is not native Swiss, was in favor. And compared to other countries, I think Xenophobia is low.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only 58% of the voters voted. 55% no is… ok? Typical for such votes? But of course, the SVP have been launching the same initiative since the 70s, they are unlikely to stop now.

The issue is this means in aggregate only around 3-5% of the total population needs to flip in it's opinions for CHexit to happen - which is very doable over two election cycles. A 55% win with 58% turnout despite how this vote was front and center of media discourse is very worrisome as this shows how disengaged the other 42% are.

> in aggregate only around 3-5% of the total population needs to flip in it's opinions for CHexit to happen

If the marketing were less xenophobic and the cap were derived from some scientific basis, I think I could be persuaded to vote for it. Particularly since it is not a vote for Chexit, but a democratic vote to confront the EU. (Britain triggered Article 50. Nothing in this referendum directs Berne to do that.)

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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In Europe the right doesn't really care about abortion that much, its not really something i hear parties discuss. Their main focal point is immigration, anti-muslim sentiment. The left can be for reduction of GLOBAL human growth, but still increase LOCAL growth, which is primarily caused by immigration not birthrate.

It also looks like most of European right is explicitly anti-immigration, and all other issues are usually indistinguishable from left.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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post #16

Maybe a personal analysis: It's a trend that is growing all over Europe. It's the equivalent of overtourism and a problem for the ruling parties (except the SVP that proposed it). Expect it to continue quite soon in Switzerland and other European countries (France, Germany etc.). Of course it doesn't make sense to curb immigration at 10 Mio and many know it. It was also for many a vote against the ruling parties. Alt…

> It's a trend that is growing all over Europe

The current system permitting freedom of movement across the continent while devolving immigration policy entirely to members creates a fundamental tension the EU needs to resolve. Because otherwise, Berlin can basically dictate EU immigration single handedly, which is bound to generate backlash even if they run a perfect programme.

Re: Swiss voters reject proposal to cap population at ten million

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post #16

Maybe a personal analysis: It's a trend that is growing all over Europe. It's the equivalent of overtourism and a problem for the ruling parties (except the SVP that proposed it). Expect it to continue quite soon in Switzerland and other European countries (France, Germany etc.). Of course it doesn't make sense to curb immigration at 10 Mio and many know it. It was also for many a vote against the ruling parties. Alt…

How are the job prospects and housing prices? Switzerland is beautiful and I would gladly move there for six or so equivalent figures..
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