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A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown

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Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown

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Post by gadders »

hliyan wrote: post #32

I recently finished rewatching The Three Body Problem in which (spoilers follow) the world panics and goes into overdrive because an alien invasion is due in... 400 years. If the current climate trends continue, vast areas of the Earth may not be suitable for habitation within half that time, and we still can't seem to convince some people this is real. Granted I was a climate change skeptic myself until about 10 yea…

What's that scientific saying about correlations and causations? But, yeah, let's all go back to middle ages pre-industrial economy just in case.

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Post by yoyohello13 »

hliyan wrote: post #32

I recently finished rewatching The Three Body Problem in which (spoilers follow) the world panics and goes into overdrive because an alien invasion is due in... 400 years. If the current climate trends continue, vast areas of the Earth may not be suitable for habitation within half that time, and we still can't seem to convince some people this is real. Granted I was a climate change skeptic myself until about 10 yea…

I’ve come to terms with the fact that there is no stopping human consumption. It is simply not possible to get enough people to reduce to make an impact. The failure of the environment movements over the last 60 years are proof. The only way is ‘up and out’ developing clean, cheap methods of energy generation and lobbying to get that infrastructure built out as quickly as possible. At this point, investing more in Fossil fuels is a joke and anyone claiming “coal” or whatever is the future is simply a conman or a clown.

Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown

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Post by ArtemZ »

Y-bar wrote: post #29
skeledrew wrote: post #26

Meh who cares? Let it all burn and flood. Earth gets a fresh start, and hopefully whatever "intelligent" species evolves to be dominant in the next 5-10 million years is a better custodian. Rinse and repeat until that's the case. Heck, who knows if this is actually the 1st or 100th iteration...

The rich, who have disproportionately contributed to the current crisis can buy and relocate to safety, while the poor will be hit the hardest.

But ultimately, isn't it the complacency of poor people, their disinterest in politics, in standing for each other, in learning and pushing for change is what allowed the existence and conduct of the rich?

Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown

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Post by gadders »

skeledrew wrote: post #30
voidfunc wrote: post #3

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If you walk in the middle of a highway then you "could" be hit by a truck. "Might" be left at the side of the road as a hit-and-run. Don't take it seriously though; go walk on that highway like it's yours.

You act as if reacting to global warming is cost-free. It would have a drastic impact on the economy and people's standard of living, especially in the 3rd world.

Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown

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Post by david-gpu »

gadders wrote: post #38
pingou wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be more scientific to say it is sure it will happen? I suspect the opposite is happening, too many times an environmental catastrophe has been predicted in too certain terms and has not happened, which is why many people lost trust. And if you think that we shouldn't try to predict but only inform about what has already happened that seems even stranger to me.

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Oversimplifying: If global temperatures went down when greenhouse gases went up, it would falsify our current climate models.

But we don't see that, do we?

Denying climate change for decades is what brought us to the immense challenge we are facing now.

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Post by 8note »

camgunz wrote: post #4

I really think people are sleeping on the AMOC. The first season there isn't European wine/cheese/olives because of climate change is the first season European farmers probably literally declare war on their governments, to say nothing of the fact that almost no European homes can handle this level of cold. And for some perspective, this is only one of many other huge changes that huge populations will react violentl…

i get the sense that its probably overblown, sicne we've only got a couple years worth of measured data on it.

we're jumping to a catastrophe when it might just ring, and whatever the environmentalists who prioritize it qant to do about it might change something that doesnt need changing, and result in actual catastrophe when the ringing stops

Re: A 'cold blob' in the Atlantic could be a sign of AMOC shutdown

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Post by snovv_crash »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #42
hliyan wrote: post #32

I recently finished rewatching The Three Body Problem in which (spoilers follow) the world panics and goes into overdrive because an alien invasion is due in... 400 years. If the current climate trends continue, vast areas of the Earth may not be suitable for habitation within half that time, and we still can't seem to convince some people this is real. Granted I was a climate change skeptic myself until about 10 yea…

I’ve come to terms with the fact that there is no stopping human consumption. It is simply not possible to get enough people to reduce to make an impact. The failure of the environment movements over the last 60 years are proof. The only way is ‘up and out’ developing clean, cheap methods of energy generation and lobbying to get that infrastructure built out as quickly as possible. At this point, investing more in Fo…

Agreed. You aren't going to convince people in India that their children should stay poor when there is an option to uplift them. That's an extra billion people of energy and material needs, all by itself.

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Post by 8note »

david-gpu wrote: post #45
gadders wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Oversimplifying: If global temperatures went down when greenhouse gases went up, it would falsify our current climate models. But we don't see that, do we? Denying climate change for decades is what brought us to the immense challenge we are facing now.

it wouldnt necessarily. there are also cycles of cooling and warming between the earth and sun.

we are however, warming when were supposed to be on an overall cooling trend

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