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Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by cogman10 »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #455
nixon_why69 wrote: post #425

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It's not like it's a swastika, it was a skull and crossbones that turns out to have been used by the SS (I think?). I had no idea that particular image was nazi-related and I don't think most other people would have either. As far as "mistakes made by marines on shore leave" go it's pretty mild. Honestly his more recent scandals are more concerning as far as character. Platner's upside is being a senator that's not f…

It's an extremely well known nazi symbol. Probably second behind the swastika itself. There's even that famous "are we the baddies" meme, which uses that symbol as a central pillar of the gag.

He may have known, he may not have known. I think he likely knew much earlier than he reported.

All that said, he was very online and very much not an online Nazi. To me that matters a lot more than a bad tattoo.

There'd simply be a lot worse comments from his reddit history if his beliefs aligned with his tattoo. That, to me, is why it just doesn't matter.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by EdwardDiego »

adultSwim wrote: post #403
bayarearefugee wrote: post #391

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They have to be kind of panicking that the smear tactics keep backfiring. Didn't stop Mamdani. Won't stop Platner. At this point it is amusing to see them pissing away so many millions of dollars to stop a public opinion tide that has no chance of being stopped.

> Won't stop Platner. That's unfortunate. Choosing a leader who lies constantly and boasts of enjoying killing people seems like an unnecessary mistake. He is attacked by people who have defended far worse and are quite cynical. That doesn't mean he should be defended. He should be attacked by a left comfortable enough in its future vision as to not compromise on basic principles. The attacks against Mamdani were dis…

> Choosing a leader who lies constantly and boasts of enjoying killing people seems like an unnecessary mistake.

I hate to break this to you, but you're already rocking multiple of them.

Re: Israeli firm BlackCore suspected of meddling in New York and Scotland votes

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Post by brenschluss »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #25
stuaxo wrote: post #7

"Lecornu said the French government had asked Israel for explanations of BlackCore's actions, and also for help in trying to find out who may have been behind the smear campaign." This is a very well executed bit of diplomacy.

Nonsense, it'll end up with merely some public head scratching and shrugs, and a "gee whiz monsieur, it sure is a mystery to us too". Interesting that whatever they wanted to do backfired in NYC.

Well of course, that’s the point - it gives the French government the cover to investigate while sending Israel a soft warning.

“Israel, thank you for your cooperation, my gosh, we’re really going to get to the bottom of this” = ‘We know what you’re doing, fuck off’

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Post by gatlin »

woodruffw wrote: post #204
gatlin wrote: post #182

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I never understood this: the Palestinian children whose family and limbs are torn from them for Israeli sport are also Semites. It seems like the ultimate erasure to claim "antisemitic" for only Jews.

There is no such thing as a "semite." It's an archaic racial category that 19th century German race science used since "anti-semite" sounds more scientific than "Jew hater." Consequently, that's why it's applied to Jews rather than a larger pseudoscientific racial group. (More broadly, "they're semites too" is the "Elon Musk is African American" of I/P discourse. You can recognize extraordinary human tragedy without…

Speakers of Semitic languages are Semitic. This isn't controversial, unclear, or irrelevant.

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Post by gatlin »

dang wrote: post #327
gatlin wrote: post #179

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Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by joxdosba »

throw37843 wrote: post #351
SauciestGNU wrote: post #236

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Forced displacement and ethnic cleansing is a core component of genocide, you're making a distinction without a difference.

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Which is a reasonable position, given that the Jews within this specific locale are mostly homicidal maniacs.

Given the context, Palestinians wanting to kill every last Israeli Jew is a totally defensible position. It’s a natural reaction to a band of murderous European invaders coming to occupy their homes.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

utdoctor wrote: post #469
WickyNilliams wrote: post #455

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It's an extremely well known nazi symbol. Probably second behind the swastika itself. There's even that famous "are we the baddies" meme, which uses that symbol as a central pillar of the gag.

Not even just that, the main villain (Amon Göth) in Schindler’s List (which won Best Picture) has it on his uniform throughout the film. It’s not like it’s some obscure icon.

If the bones are a little longer, it's a Jolly Roger. If the teeth were longer, it would be a punisher skull. If it weren't turned at that particular angle it would just be a generic skull. If it were 2 angular lightning bolts, it would obviously be SS but a skull is really common in a lot of contexts.

If you happened to clock this particular skull shape as a symbol from an SS division, then congrats, but 95% of people just would not and that's why it didn't land as a scandal. Everyone said "Huh. I didn't know either." and then accepted "Marine gets dumb skull tattoo while drunk on shore leave" as a fairly normal thing to have happened.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

afavour wrote: post #296

As a New Yorker this doesn’t shock me too much. The level of “Mamdani is an anti-Semite” sentiment I saw online (Reddit particularly) felt truly hysterical. And wasn’t matched by any equivalent in the offline world.

Well previous NYC mayors felt the need to travel to Israel and talk to them about how good of a job he did for them, so it is quite a change

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

afavour wrote: post #459
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #454

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> Platner will just be another Fetterman This reminds me of the folks who had conniptions over Sinema and Manchin. You know what we'd have if we had four of those right now? A majority.

A majority that does what exactly, though? Manchin was against Build Back Better, expanding voting rights legislation and codifying abortion rights. Yes, he was better than a Republican. But he was a big reason why Democrats are seen as the do-nothing party who never achieve things. Because he stood in the way of it. Not to mention, Fetterman isn’t Manchin. Manchin at least voted to impeach Trump, Fetterman is skepti…

>"Democrats are seen as the do nothing party". Quite a few people I know [eu based] used to consider themselves 'democrats' ie not republicans. But, more and more are co.ing to the conclusion that the dems are pretty darn useless.
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