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This will go the same way other US export restrictions, eventually other nations found ways around to implement similar technologies, and stuff like PGP remains a niche technology, even though public/private keys based technology is widespread.

The model is released to download. If they continue releasing it - it can't go same direction. If they stop releasing it, they will become irrelevant. The only reason this one is so popular is because you can just download it and run locally.

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It's starting to feel like we'll soon be able to run open source models on our own hardware and use them for serious coding projects. Even if some tasks still need to be handed off to larger closed source models, that's a huge improvement over where we are today.

The trend also seems pretty clear. These models will keep getting better. Coding may already be close to a "solved" problem for LLMs. Yes ofc there will always be frontier stuff that you need gigantic cutting edge models for but let's be honest, most software is not that.

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For people whohave used GLM 5.1, I'm very curious what 5.2 is like. I use 5.1 on and off because it chokes on complex tasks (it ends up in a loop. maybe its because i can actually read the though proces, maybe opus does the same but we are not aware). Curious if 5.2 doesn't have this issue, then I am genuinely switching.

I used GLM-5.1 when I had the coding plan. Its performance would degrade over time after about 200k tokens. I was suspicious of its recall capability not being that good for long horizon tasks that stress tests the context window. But as they expressed in the tweet:

> It not only supports a truly usable 1M context window but also maintains a continuous lead in the independent completion of long-horizon tasks, providing solid foundational support for building complex agent applications.

Sounds like they have addressed this issue.

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It's starting to feel like we'll soon be able to run open source models on our own hardware and use them for serious coding projects. Even if some tasks still need to be handed off to larger closed source models, that's a huge improvement over where we are today. The trend also seems pretty clear. These models will keep getting better. Coding may already be close to a "solved" problem for LLMs. Yes ofc there will alw…

And I feel like the reason why OpenAI was so aggressive with messing up the RAM market, was specifically to make it hard for us to run models on our own hardware.

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Genuine question: How safe is it to use Chinese models via their services? Surely Anthropic and OpenAI are ingesting what I push there as well, but they're at least vaguely allied with my home country geopolitically. China on the other hand seems to be interested in supporting countries like Iran and Russia.

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Genuine question: How safe is it to use Chinese models via their services? Surely Anthropic and OpenAI are ingesting what I push there as well, but they're at least vaguely allied with my home country geopolitically. China on the other hand seems to be interested in supporting countries like Iran and Russia.

What does China do that US does not?

They are releasing open models, so at-least up until now their advancements you can run yourself.

US frontier labs on the other hand keep it all to themselves. The moment they cut access you have nothing and your country will be stumped on and forced in making decisions not in your national interest.

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In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

I don’t understand how I grew up thinking USA is the gold standard is good and China just make cheap copies and is bad. But these news really changes my view on China and USA. I can’t believe it almost.

> I don’t understand how I grew up thinking USA is the gold standard is good and China just make cheap copies and is bad.

Hollywood.

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Genuine question: How safe is it to use Chinese models via their services? Surely Anthropic and OpenAI are ingesting what I push there as well, but they're at least vaguely allied with my home country geopolitically. China on the other hand seems to be interested in supporting countries like Iran and Russia.

I suggest to not look at how each company is expressing themselves on the media, look at how they are actually behaving. When I first tried out Z.ai last year, I too was concerned regarding where my data goes. I vaguely remember from their ToS (please verify yourself too) that they followed a zero data retention policy for its AI services. This of course applied to their paying customers. I do not know if it applies to their free users on chat.z.ai. I am at the stage of not caring about geopolitics at all, I've lost a lot of trust in the current US administration, they have burned a lot of international relationships thanks to the orange man. This is while Chinese companies and startups have almost closed the gap between open-weight models and proprietary models. Its thanks to their actions and open contribution in the research I can run local models at home. Just read the tweet posted and see where Z.ai is trying to position themselves, this competition benefits us (consumers) a lot!

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Open weight models are basically immune to that Somewhat. The US Gov can make it illegal to transact with, download, use, etc. foreign open weight models. Of course, enforcement will be difficult for individuals (businesses will comply by default, and they would all be pulled off Github and other US based hosting locations if they went the sanctions route). But, we are also quickly going down the road of frightenin…

> Somewhat. The US Gov can make it illegal to transact with, download, use, etc. foreign open weight models. Presumably you mean in the USA (otherwise foreign means nothing)

Oh, you think? The US have a habit of imposing sanctions on companies that don't respect their prohibitions- so for example they decided that companies cannot offer services to a certain EU citizen in the EU otherwise they'll be in a sea of troubles. In theory, imposing these so called "secondary sanctions" is against international law; in practice, the EU is so spineless that doesn't even dare to protest.
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