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b112 wrote: post #554
rustyhancock wrote: post #545

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> the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means) This is not at all surprising. And I hope people don't make the mistake that it's a "this administration" problem. It was obviously from the early days of these LLMs that the shoe was going to drop and we (as Joe public) would not retain access. I mean that once ChatGPT3 dropped it was clear there was some level of funct…

Yet unlike CPUs/GPUs, there's currently zero way to lock down who has access. Giving access to 'citizens', with the current way the Internet operates, is absurd. One back door into a desktop, workstation, and 'validated citizens' are now 'hackers from where-ever'.

>and 'validated citizens' are now 'hackers from where-ever'.

Yes, because knowledge is power, and information is meant to be free.

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Post by AnneTrotter »

handoflixue wrote: post #454
VectorLock wrote: post #404

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Not that I'm ever one to support anything this regime does but I'm kind of okay with them pumping the brakes on this until we really get a handle on what the The USG has limited capabilities on technologies from GPS chips to thermal imaging with "national security" implications for a while and now they're doing it but it seems people don't like how ill defined "Mythos-class" means. Would it be better if it was some %…

"pumping the brakes" would be fine. This is slamming to a full stop on a crowded freeway and causing a three car pile-up. Warning and advanced notice are the difference between regulation and tyranny, and in this case we're just getting tyranny

Same problem as always. This administration never figured out that how you do things matters. They love the drama of the crash more than actually implementing functional policies.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

rustyhancock wrote: post #545
themgt wrote: post #278

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I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…

> the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means) This is not at all surprising. And I hope people don't make the mistake that it's a "this administration" problem. It was obviously from the early days of these LLMs that the shoe was going to drop and we (as Joe public) would not retain access. I mean that once ChatGPT3 dropped it was clear there was some level of funct…

    > This is not at all surprising. And I hope people don't make the mistake that it's a "this administration" problem.
It seems logical for govts to want to regulate AI/LLMs. In the US, would it be FCC (comms) or something new?

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Post by viking123 »

rustyhancock wrote: post #545
themgt wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…

> the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means) This is not at all surprising. And I hope people don't make the mistake that it's a "this administration" problem. It was obviously from the early days of these LLMs that the shoe was going to drop and we (as Joe public) would not retain access. I mean that once ChatGPT3 dropped it was clear there was some level of funct…

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Post by viking123 »

handoflixue wrote: post #458
Topfi wrote: post #319

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Interesting. Hope there is any clarification on what "Mythos level" is and why 5.5-cyber doesn't arise to it. Any metric I could come up with (parameters, pre-train compute, benchmark scores, etc.) seems somewhere between imperfect and utterly nonsensical. Pure speculation, but GPT-5 series models including the new 5.5 pre-train appear far closer to Sonnet than Opus or Fable in pure parameter count, so maybe that's i…

Firefox bugs found per month, actively advertised as a sign of how powerful Mythos is: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... I am, thus far, not aware of 5.5-Cyber managing anything similar to "Project Glasswing" That said, the government also knew about Mythos since Project Glasswing was announced... April 7th, two months ago, so if they wanted to block a public release, they had more than…

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Post by andai »

pmdr wrote: post #483
g42gregory wrote: post #383

So I logged into the Claude Code and their fabled Fable 5 model is "not available". Because it's "so good" and "so dangerous" that I can't have it. Judging by the amount of bugs in CC, this model can't be all that good. But regardless, what is the point of paying to Anthropic if their models are not available to you? I am switching to GPT 5.5.

I got to use it for a couple of days on Pro. Feature implementation actually fit into subscription usage, but then it went on chasing its tail fixing bugs it introduced and burning through about $15 in credits. It got the job done in the end, though. I'd say it's good, better than Opus, but I found that both GPT 5.4 and 5.5 are way better than Opus. So Fable is as good as GPT 5.5, if not better.

I heard it's extremely persistent and thorough. That's probably overkill for most tasks, e.g. I've heard it taking a long time and burning lots of money for tasks that could have been done much faster with cheaper models.

But for when you need it, I would love to have it.

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Post by viking123 »

dwa3592 wrote: post #270

I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes? I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI). Public will still have access to…

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Post by _heimdall »

Kina wrote: post #513
_heimdall wrote: post #424

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Whether or not you agree with how US laws are drafted, this administration has no logical foundation for anything it does which is a massively different and worse problem by orders of magnitude. This administration runs on whims. This is horrifying and there is real harm in this we have yet to see the full repercussions of.

This administration has been slapped back by the courts more then I would have expected though. If we had fewer laws granting pretty broad powers to the executive branch I have to assume more of the administration's actions would be stopped.

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Post by _heimdall »

shakna wrote: post #540
_heimdall wrote: post #424

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In countries other than the US, most regulatory bodies are outside the government for exactly that reason - to take the power away from the political elite, whilst continuing to ensure safety and reason come first. The new law the US is proposing here, is the exact opposite. A kingly appointed adjudicator to decide things.

I must have missed something very important in the article. What law is being proposed here?
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