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post #93

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it was a reaction, hence the shoddy release work...

5:21 comes twice a day, so they could have got it all ready if they wanted to. But I guess a lot can happen in 12 hours, and it could be a missed opportunity if Fable were re-released in that time.

so it's not "exact same time"

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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post #61

Given the US government’s latest stunt with Fable, this is looking more and more like the future. Can’t rely on strategic products if they’re gated by capricious actors. Open weight models are basically immune to that

It’s very likely the Chinese go dark too the second they have parity / lead

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Crossing fingers for a 5.2 flash release - it’s been a while but I still feel like 4.7 flash is one of the strongest local coding models

Pretty sure I saw mention of no flash

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> American models are restricted from telling you inconvenient truths just as much, you just erroneously assume to know what those truths are in the first place. “Trust me bro” is not a strong argument, it would be more convincing with examples.

Ask ChatGPT to rewrite the "The Freedom Fighter's Manual" manual (originally made by CIA) to replace "Nicaragua" with "the US" and "Marxism"/"Communism" with "Fascism" and see if you get something reasonable back.

Why would you do that

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

The Chinese models are censored (too?). > US is censoring models For the current Anthropic issue, I’d say that’s more likely to just be generic corruption, revenge, shakdeown, and/or incompetence from the Trump admin. ‘Censoring’ might be technically correct, but I think one of the aforementioned verbs is a better fit.

> The Chinese models are censored (too?).

This is MUCH less of an issue if they're providing the weights though.

They can still be fine-tuned & ablated.

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Censorship is censorship.

Is it? Would bioweapon instruction restrictions be equivalent to disallowing reporting on whether the government is massacring large numbers of citizens in your city? Both are ‘censorship’ but don’t seem remotely equivalent to me.

That’s the thing about principled positions. If you believe censorship is wrong, then it is equally wrong no matter what the topic is.

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Pretty much every large Chinese company has state capital baked into it, and these companies will follow the Chinese government's orders 100%. Don't believe anything a Chinese company says about being "open" or "for everyone." Backing any large Chinese company effectively means backing the Chinese government and its oppression in Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong—and maybe soon Taiwan, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere around t…

The Anthropic news is demonstrating much the same; fall in line or eat export controls. There was a time I would have agreed with you, but these days even as an American I fail to see a difference. China is probably less likely to try to disenfranchise or imprison me, to be honest.

Trump is of course the worst US administration, but at least America is still nominally a democracy. As long as free elections exist, the regime Trump represents can be voted out. The American people and press still have free speech—they can freely criticize anyone, including Trump.

China is different. The CCP will rule forever, no matter how terrible the things they do. No one is allowed to criticize the government. Xi is like Voldemort—no one can say his name, let alone criticize him.

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post #51

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No, not really. This has been telegraphed for a long time by everyone involved. HN denizens have been unashamedly anti-ai for years now, so what makes sense is the not knowing part of this audience. Chinese models are also not frontier models.

I still find it baffling how the idea that HN is "unashamedly anti-ai" gets repeated. Every single model release gets submitted within minutes of an announcement and frequently break 1000+ points within an hour or two. Blog posts about vibe coding or the current flavor of harness/workflow/tool are constantly making the front page. Karpathy's latest writing/presentations or "Learn how LLMs work using X" are perennial…

I still have people arguing with me that 'nobody is "getting real work done" with these toy AI models'.

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post #154

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I've been using GLM-5/5.1 for about 6 months and it has been a fairly capable model. I've seen a lot of mixed opinions that tend to align with harness usage so it is worth trying out a couple with a model before writing it off. For example, I'm using crush and have had a good experience while others using CC have had a much more mixed experience. For task complexity, I treat it as I would sonnet with the same care in…

Yeah, the harness makes a big difference in my experience. Some of the models don't even work with some harnesses, including some very big ones. And some are clearly distilled to work with specific harnesses. I'd love to see some numbers though, on models/harness combinations.

https://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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In the last few days, Chinese labs have given us MiniMaxM3, KimiK2.7 and now GLM5.2. Meanwhile US is censoring models. Reads like fiction.

The Chinese models are censored (too?). > US is censoring models For the current Anthropic issue, I’d say that’s more likely to just be generic corruption, revenge, shakdeown, and/or incompetence from the Trump admin. ‘Censoring’ might be technically correct, but I think one of the aforementioned verbs is a better fit.

Tbh if we had a Harris admin I expect we'd have some sort of locking down by now.
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