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Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau
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Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau
#452Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement? I think that actually the US is an outlier.
Here is a case study from Greece in the ‘20’s, but all you need to do is google ‘ethnic cleansing’ and dig in, and you’ll see government data sources (including census data) all played a part. [ https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11208589 ] “The census was conducted in a period of successive wars and rapid territorial expansion. We focus on the handling of the census data for Macedonia, a newly annexed territory th…
In the original comment, you used the present tense. I think that's what was being questioned.
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#453This is why for the census my forms said that I was a poor widow from Kazakhstan with 9 chidren , no education and an adherent of the Mandean faith.
Never ever provide true information in any form.
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#454I "enumerated" for the last census. Trust in my community was already not high* and I had lots of interesting encounters. I really believed the rather invasive data I was collecting with a friendly face would be used and handled responsibly. I feel for the poor souls that'll sign up to go door to door for 2030 now that the firewalls against weaponizing and monetizing all of our sensitive government data has been torn…
The real decline started after Edward Snowden and all the information that came out about the NSA. It really sparked distrust in the government. Trying to get people to respond to surveys was already hard, why would those general people believe the Census Bureau is actually keeping their data safe? Doesn’t matter when it comes to laws and the constitution, if you work for an Agency. You are the government. Response r…
> The real decline started after Edward Snowden and all the information that came out about the NSA. It really sparked distrust in the government.
Do you have evidence of this? Because I'd bet 90% Americans have no idea who Edward Snowden even is.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
>And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data. The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Amazing, innit.
The premise of the Republican party for half a century now has been: "The government can't do anything right, and if you elect us we'll prove it!"
And it's something of a coin flip whether people prefer that philosophy to the other mob. Trump has made it to a seconds term and is talking about a third because of the stunning policy failures of the US government over the last 50 years.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eh, that’s the ‘if people do the right thing’ approach. Many countries use census data to target (or even round up and murder) specific groups of people by religion, ethnicity, etc.
"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement? I think that actually the US is an outlier.
If someone says the holocaust happened, do you demand evidence of the claim? Because that’s exactly what you’ve done here
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#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it gives them data to attack specific groups of people that were previously anonymized. The two options are less granular data, or data that can be abused. There is no question the end goal is data that can be abused, and anyone left who would protest their actions will be fired and replaced with more sycophants.
That's assuming that this undermining of trust won't result in reduced willingness to share accurate data.
Next they will make it a felony to share inaccurate data and use it as justification to send to camps when raiding
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#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting to see this downvoted. The mechanism was different - not a tax scheme, but rather the Canadian government directly liquidated their property and put them into camps.
> Canadian government directly liquidated their property and put them into camps. While the mechanism was different that was what _effectively_ happened to US Japanese people, too. The taxes part is more like a separate mechanism of discrimination against anyone "new" which "happened" to overlap with this (and tbh. I have no idea to which degree this overlap was intentional or just "tolerated"). -- But if I have to g…
No, I don’t mean to downplay - it was horrific and exploitative terror in both countries with terrible lasting effects. I just mentioned it because it’s less well known than what America did and because even Canadians might know what their country did to indigenous populations but not to its own citizens in this case (over 90% of Japanese in the country were sent to camps and most of them were Canadian citizens). Canadians sometimes forget the demonstrated capacity for their own country to do violence on its own people (not to downplay indigenous issues either of course, which are better understood), with a smugness about how much worse American government behaves.
Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau
#459Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement? I think that actually the US is an outlier.
When Germany invaded the Netherlands they found it extremely convenient that the Netherlands had a nice centralised paper filing system telling them exactly where all the Jews lived. The Holocaust proceeded more efficiently in the Netherlands than it had in Germany.
Maybe an example that isn’t almost 100 years old ?
Re: Noise infusion banned from statistical products published by Census Bureau
#460Applying subjectivity to what they keep and where it's bound, implies that this was always an expression of opinion.
Science intrinsically ignores opinions.
The officials responsible for this smearing of data should be tried. This was a violation of the free speech clause as it coercively manipulated public beliefs. This was a crime against science and civil rights.