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Post by wahnfrieden »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #231
dathinab wrote: post #199

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yeah, and implicitly force them to sell the land they own for less then it's worth, which in combination with setting up very messed up tax related laws in some states (1) which highly benefit you if you bought land longer in the past effectively "killed" a budding, wealthy, land owning Asian community and made sure it can't really regrow in that form. (1): I think it was mainly California, but don't remember full

Canada also did this to its Japanese

Interesting to see this downvoted. The mechanism was different - not a tax scheme, but rather the Canadian government directly liquidated their property and put them into camps.

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Post by bagels »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #67
bagels wrote: post #59

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The US Government is the entity that weaponizes the data. The most obvious example is the Census Bureau compiling lists of people of Japanese descent to imprison during WWII. That's just the most obvious one that I know of without looking up more. The real push for this now is to form lists of people to disenfranchise.

Does anyone actually believe this crap? You think the census is what the government would use to mass identify and imprison people, not the NSA database(s)? You think homeland security, or the FBI, or any other alphabet agency doesn't already have access to a giant list of people? Think about what meta knows about everyone, or Google. You do realize that the US gov has read access to their core databases right? "The…

You think they wouldn't use it? They're using all the things they can get their hands on. The census also has side effects on the franchise.

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Post by bagels »

willmadden wrote: post #131
newZWhoDis wrote: post #67

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Does anyone actually believe this crap? You think the census is what the government would use to mass identify and imprison people, not the NSA database(s)? You think homeland security, or the FBI, or any other alphabet agency doesn't already have access to a giant list of people? Think about what meta knows about everyone, or Google. You do realize that the US gov has read access to their core databases right? "The…

I'm not sure why your comment is grayed out. Cell tower data, credit bureau integration, social media scraping, palantir, smart home device surveillance, DNA database exploitation, facial recognition networks, tax, payroll, passport, visa, medicare/medicaid, immigrations and customs databases and many more... The census is a historical relic used to jerrymander congressional seats, and that's about it.

It's gray because people downvoted it.

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Post by bagels »

throwawa1 wrote: post #77
bagels wrote: post #59

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The US Government is the entity that weaponizes the data. The most obvious example is the Census Bureau compiling lists of people of Japanese descent to imprison during WWII. That's just the most obvious one that I know of without looking up more. The real push for this now is to form lists of people to disenfranchise.

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People with a legal right to vote.

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Post by HenryBemis »

alterom wrote: post #369
windthrown wrote: post #243

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I did similar and you summarized the feelings well. It's really sad and hard to rebuild that trust And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data.

>And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data. The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Amazing, innit.

Your comment brought the song lyrics from Murder - Sepultura:

  ...
  Same hand that builds, destroys
  Same hand that relieves, betrays
  Same hand that seeds, burns
  Same peace that exists, here lies
  ...
  Same religion that saves, damns you!
I got no comment on the essence of your comment, but (in your implied meaning), the very last of the song was matching what you wrote.

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Post by throwawa1 »

vel0city wrote: post #397
throwawa1 wrote: post #365

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> There are 45 million Spanish speakers in the United States - in 1950 there were effectively zero. This is either a bald faced lie or demonstrates an extreme ignorance of history. There have been tons of Spanish speakers in the United States for a loooong time. Before Texas joined the United States, Spanish was an official language, as in 1837 a law was passed to ensure all laws were translated into Castilian. > Be…

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Post by voakbasda »

sylos wrote: post #326
kajman wrote: post #145

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If this is a Nazi reference, Census data was used to send people to concentration camps here during the same era. Less awful than death camps, at least.

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We easily could exceed their atrocities, because our modern capacities for inflicting harm are better, faster, and cheaper.

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Post by WarmWash »

shiandow wrote: post #372
appreciatorBus wrote: post #244

> Differential privacy makes this trade-off explicit, and thus impossible to ignore. I think he has it backwards here. Techniques like differential privacy hide the fact that a trade-off exists, except for a small cadre of experts who live and breathe this stuff. I don’t know enough to defend this decision, but it strikes me that if there is a real trade-off, not having access to these techniques will force people ot…

Nope private data about people is published unintentionally regularly, Netflix history and medical records being some of the notable examples. People are bad at making the tradeoff because they consistently underestimate the amount of information that is leaked. Forcing them to leak safe amounts of information is the right way. Not sharing or collecting the data could in some cases be better but there is clear value…

I think the real killer is that every knows their data has been leaked six times over, and yet nothing bad has come of it for 99% of people.

If there was an apocalyptic privacy breach that lead to 40% of the population losing their savings, people would be smashing their smart TVs in the streets a day later.

But alas, nothing bad actually manifests (besides the suspicious ads that know you really like Tide detergent).

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Post by angry_octet »

lazide wrote: post #396
testing22321 wrote: post #321

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> The comments that this rather expensive endeavour should just be about getting a head count are also amusing to me Countries conduct censuses so they can understand, in great detail, what is going on with the people who make up the country. With this accurate information, improvement plans can be made, and life can be improved for everyone. The comments about just making it a head count give a very interesting wind…

Eh, that’s the ‘if people do the right thing’ approach. Many countries use census data to target (or even round up and murder) specific groups of people by religion, ethnicity, etc.

"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement?

I think that actually the US is an outlier.

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Post by lazide »

coldtea wrote: post #386
Dylan16807 wrote: post #331

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Trump was never ever going to drain the swamp. And I wouldn't say he served existing entrenched interests very well either. To the extent he touched the swamp it was to put in worse people only he liked.

> Trump was never ever going to drain the swamp. Doesn't matter for the point of the argument, he was elected on that promise, and others, that he eventually broke.

It was so transparent that it was going to happen, I really question if anyone legitimately believed it.

Might as well have literally voted for the fox to be in charge of the hen house. ‘Oh no, but they promised they wouldn’t do that!’

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