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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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"In 2019, Altman was asked to resign from Y Combinator after partners alleged he had put personal projects, including OpenAI, ahead of his duties as president, said people familiar with the matter." A statement declared to be false by the person who made the decision, in evident increasing frustration as the falsehood purpetuated.

I am familiar with that entire episode, and while I agree that quote gives the wrong impression, that definitely falls in the realm of gray area and it's not hard for me to see how "people family with the matter" truthfully reported what they knew: Namely, Altman was asked to choose his priorities - do one or the other, but not both. Again, I think reporting that as "asked to resign" gives an incorrect impression of…

They also did

>Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation.

This case obviously drew more scrutiny and after much criticism was later changed to begin

>Editor's Note: An earlier version of this article detailed how an internal law enforcement bulletin said that ammunition recovered following the Charlie Kirk shooting was engraved with expressions of “transgender and anti-fascist ideology." Justice Department officials later urged caution about the bulletin by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, saying it may not accurately reflect the messages on the ammunition, and the article was updated Thursday to reflect that. This editor's note was appended on Friday, Sept. 12, after Utah Gov. Spencer Cox said the engravings included one that said “Hey fascist!” along with other messages and symbols. He gave no indication that the ammunition included any transgender references.

And even then the bulletin was not thought to be genuine (especially considering it wasn't true)

It took the NYT less an an hour to debunk. The Wrap reported

>The false report appears to have started with right-wing podcaster Steven Crowder, who posted a purported ATF memo with the claim.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Anthropic has been trying to be a trust me bro and an I know better than you steward. All while Dario has been crying wolf since 2017. Not that I like the current administration. They are horrible human beings. But this effective altruism first from SBF and now from Amodei kills me too. There is nothing worse than very highly intellectual people thinking they are entitled to make decisions for the rest of us. They fu…

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>"The wolf is here and will attack the flock tonight."

How is that not what they are saying?

"GPT-2 XL is here and if we released it the flock would be attacked tonight."

Each time it plays out where the public eventually gets access to a model it turns out the flock is still there in the morning.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

The only reason I can see is because Amazon wanted something like this to happen. But I'm not sure what Amazon would gain from that, since they don't have their own competing frontier models.

Of course, Amazon wanted this to happen.

They own 20% of Anthropic.

Anthropic bleeds cash. They have to raise capital.

There are only 2 ways: an IPO or follow-ons from existing investors.

If the IPO gets delayed because of these restrictions, Anthropic will be forced to raise more capital from existing investors.

And existing investors (Amazon) will end up owning more of Anthropic at a cheaper valuation.

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Personal attacks are, perhaps, not the way to go. If you have any substantiative rebuttals, post it.

Don't reply to trolls. Just flag them.

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It’s unclear what Jassy’s angle was here doing this. It’s pretty bad news for Anthropic though. They had built up some real momentum but am waking up this morning to nearly everyone I know outside the US shifting use off Anthropic. There is no loyalty or revenue stickiness here. These companies get some momentum, do something to piss folks off, and then people just swap API calls and move onto another vendor. It’s a…

I expect the blast radius will include every American service provider. The problem isn't exclusive to Anthropic, the same thing could happen with OpenAI tomorrow. Using American platforms is a huge business risk now and there's no putting toothpaste back in the tube here.

That's been the case for over a year. People are still using US services.

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That is the only way it is legal. This was an export directive from the Commerce department, using authority granted by Congress to control exports of tech. If they just told Anthropic to shut down a model without invoking an emergency order of export, there would be no legal authority for such an order. Keep in mind that for all the troubles and trauma caused by the current USA government, they are really good at ma…

Ok, but then the government's argumentation doesn't make sense? If the reason for shutting it down is that it's dangerous, only shutting it down for non US citizens doesn't solve the problem.

This sort of thing has been done before - for encryption - and many physical products like missiles. If you sell a missile to someone in the US they're accountable to US law but if you export one then US law stops at the border and nothing stops them firing it at Washington with impunity.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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I don't think this is Amazon targeting Anthropic, but the government shaking down Anthropic using Amazon. The government is a key customer of Amazon, so Amazon will provide cover as needed. Amazon knows their equity stake in Anthropic is not particularly at risk, and they only gain negotiating power by looping in the feds.

Security is a real concern. Security experts within the government should create public+private working groups to validate all the leading models (by the same standards). Leaving it to companies to share with friends is wishful at best. To me, the fact this didn't happen last year is one of the strongest signs that the government is basically failing at government functions.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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What's the principle behind this law: it feels so arbitrary. Who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported and what not?

To be clear, this is not a law. It's a subtle and important distinction. Laws are passed by Congress. This was an order from the Executive Branch. It's meant to be used in a moment of crisis, as a temporary solution that gives Congress enough time to create a law that can persist into the future. All of that to say, we don't know who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported or not. We're in a curious moment w…

I believe the law that already exists allows the executive branch to arbitrarily block exports at will?
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