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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

#261

Just wait until DeepSeek or another Chinese lab drops something with similar capability next couple months. And without any guardrails. See what happens then.

Chinese labs don't seem to be even close to Fable though. Aren't they still catching up to Opus 4.6?

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I have to imagine that this could be the result of Anthropic C-Levels catastrophizing to push the idea their product is so powerful that it is also very dangerous and that opened them up to the government responded in kind. In other words I have to imagine they probably did this to themselves and should probably dial down the catastrophizing.

Anthropic has been trying to be a trust me bro and an I know better than you steward. All while Dario has been crying wolf since 2017. Not that I like the current administration. They are horrible human beings. But this effective altruism first from SBF and now from Amodei kills me too.

There is nothing worse than very highly intellectual people thinking they are entitled to make decisions for the rest of us.

They fully own this. They have built a narrative so powerful that now the government is going to shut them down.

Meanwhile OpenAI, who own their own data centers, infrastructure government officials, and are being smart about all this, will reap some of the benefits. They are loosing too.

Anthropic did indeed dig their own grave, and it saddens me. Fable was an amazing model. First of its kind. I will miss it.

Still let’s not forget: this was a two week trial. After that it would have been over, except for the enterprise customers.

Apologies for the tone of my post. It’s not easy to be neutral and unbiased. I am just so angry at all this nonsense. At home I got kids, and they are more mature than many of these people who are just ruling over the world.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

#263

If you’re Anthropic, you gotta love how a vendor you’re paying is going to the government to talk about you. Can’t imagine that’s great for the relationship.

They have no choice because unlike OpenAI who backordered most of the Ram in the world, Dario decided they wouldn’t spend a dime on infrastructure.

A critical mistake if you ask me

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

#265

What's the principle behind this law: it feels so arbitrary. Who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported and what not?

To be clear, this is not a law. It's a subtle and important distinction. Laws are passed by Congress. This was an order from the Executive Branch. It's meant to be used in a moment of crisis, as a temporary solution that gives Congress enough time to create a law that can persist into the future.

All of that to say, we don't know who gets to decide what LLM-services can be exported or not. We're in a curious moment where the traditional norms and customs that guided the US democratic for the past 50+ years don't function as intended.

So, idk (and neither does anyone else)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did they miss it or are they careful to over invest, especially too early? Maybe their early bets in Anthropic were sized correctly since they’re making more money than all the other big tech investors in frontier labs.

Well keep in mind that the “investments” were broadly buying business. We give you a bunch of money, you use that money to buy our stuff. Yes the equity has book value on the way up, but keep in mind when the bubble pops (or even just cools) Amazon will have to book markdowns from the balance sheet that will tank earnings. Thats a story that’s flying below the radar at the moment.

Doesn’t it still mean they have made better investment choices than the other big tech companies? I guess I don’t see why they missed a boat here. Also the models may be as much a commodity as compute.

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post #249

I have to imagine that this could be the result of Anthropic C-Levels catastrophizing to push the idea their product is so powerful that it is also very dangerous and that opened them up to the government responded in kind. In other words I have to imagine they probably did this to themselves and should probably dial down the catastrophizing.

Anthropic has been trying to be a trust me bro and an I know better than you steward. All while Dario has been crying wolf since 2017. Not that I like the current administration. They are horrible human beings. But this effective altruism first from SBF and now from Amodei kills me too. There is nothing worse than very highly intellectual people thinking they are entitled to make decisions for the rest of us. They fu…

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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The only thing I can think of that would give Amazon reasons to dislike Mythos / Fable is that Anthropic really ruined their Bedrock story by imposing data retention requirements that cross a red line in regulatory compliance. It's just possible that Jassy would rather have nobody use Fable than doing it on the basis of, effectively, a direct data trust relationship with Anthropic.

It is hard to plug it together into this still being in Amazon's interest in the long run, but I could see a potential scenario where there was some bad blood with Dario on it if he previously committed to completely air gapped processing from a data point of view and now he went back on it.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

#270
I wonder if there would be an equivalent of Non proliferation treaty like Nukes?

I know it sounds crazy - but if there's even 0.1% chance that some models are so good that they can be used to hack into people's bank accounts - I, as the government, would not want that model to be publicly accessible. I would also request other countries to come to the table and sign this NPT(for AI).

Public will still have access to smaller models (like guns etc) up to Opus 4.8 etc but anything bigger than that is sooo good that it's dangerous. Nuclear also has benefits but the governments consider the worst when making policies rather than the best.

I am not touting Mythos as the god model but I wonder if the policy will move in this direction.

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