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Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by jazzyjackson »

evilturnip wrote: post #96

It's great that we are getting so many open source model releases, but I just feel like SOTA models will always be in the hands of the big players. The hardware requirement to achieve SOTA are just too steep. My alternate universe would involve some sort of decentralized investing scheme to build data centers running massive open source models that could compete on some level with Anthropic, OpenAI, etc.

There is the possibility of large model weights being exfil’d, either internally or maybe ChatGPT 6.2 will decide to escape its sandbox by ftp’ing itself to the internet archive*

* I heard from a public archive tour, that either OpenAI or Anthropic approached the organization as a partner to train on their materials (raw book scans and full web crawls for past 30 years) and the Archive was willing so long as the weights were shared in exchange. No dice!

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by phainopepla2 »

bxclltkfz wrote: post #98
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

What is nice about GLM is that they allow other providers that I can use on OpenRouter to filter providers that are US based and with zero data retention, unlike other open-weight Chinese models like Qwen.

That's because Qwen's flagship models are not, in fact, open weight. Qwen3.7 Max, Qwen3.7 Plus and others are closed weight.

You can use Qwen3.6 35B A3B (for example) on Openrouter with a US-based ZDR provider, because it's one of their open weight models

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by phainopepla2 »

alecco wrote: post #99
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

> GLM-5.2 is Fully Open Is this just open weights or also open source/data?

Have any major open weight models been "open data"? Wouldn't that entail distributing vast amounts of copyrighted data?

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by fer »

bflesch wrote: post #46

Weird, z.ai does not resolve for me. Is there anything special about that domain? https://z.ai

If you have systemd-resolved, it tries to validate DNSSEC by default and replies with SERVFAIL if it fails. Same happens here, I go through some privacy focused DNS servers and they sometimes remove the signature.

$ resolvectl query z.ai

z.ai: resolve call failed: DNSSEC validation failed: no-signature

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by jazzyjackson »

hollerith wrote: post #76
CrazyStat wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember, the only thing that stops a guy with an evil god-in-a-box is a guy with a benevolent god-in-a-box, and only Antrophic can lead us to the second one – but only if we act together as a nation and ban those subversive open weights models! Eliezer Yudkowsky has made this argument explicitly, substituting himself for Anthropic.

Yudkowksy gave up on trying to make a god-in-a-box to stop other gods-in-boxes in 2015. Since then his approach to stopping the gods-in-boxes has been to lobby governments.

And bomb gods in boxes I guess?

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by throwaw12 »

oooyay wrote: post #83
easygenes wrote: post #75

Announcement from the founder of Z.ai: “ GLM-5.2 is Fully Open, Frontier Intelligence Belongs to Everyone Today, the sudden restriction of certain frontier models is deeply regrettable. At a time when access to frontier models is abruptly cut off for non-technical reasons, we are even more convinced of one thing: science should be global. The path to AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) must never be enclosed by hig…

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Download the model and run it yourself

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by wgd »

mgc8 wrote: post #79

Is there any indication of what compute resources this will actually require (in its various incarnations)? Does it incorporate any of the optimisations pioneered by Google (such as TurboQuant, MTP) or some other original innovations to make the frontier quality realistically available to local users?

The GLM-5 series is 744B-A40B. This is not a local model for any reasonable definition of local, but it's an open model which means (once they upload the weights in a week or so) there will be a dozen third-party inference providers competing on price per token.

Re: GLM 5.2 Is Out

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Post by arcatech »

holoduke wrote: post #59
ortekk wrote: post #19

With deluge of Chinese models popping up recently, I believe there's a few issues one needs to evaluate before deciding to use these models: - Ethics. As known, ou American frontier AI companies are incredibly ethical. And I have yet to see any interviews or blog posts by Chinese companies where they talk about how they are ethical, or at least credible HN comments about it. - Safety. Do they covertly sabotage or at…

Is this comical satire or what? I am surprised to see such a dillusional reply. Come on. Intellectual property theft and openai rings a bell? Ethics? Ever tried uncensored versions of gemma4? LLMs have no bad or good etics. Etics are a thin layer on top. Always. You must be joking.

> You must be joking.

Funny that you came to this conclusion and then posted the comment anyway.

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