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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

m-hodges wrote: post #109
logicchains wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's from Wikipedia all the mass shootings conducted by students prior to the 1970s. They're incredibly infrequent compared to the shootings of today, March 26, 1893 – Plain Dealing, Louisiana (Plain Dealing High School): During an evening school dance, a fight broke out. Students fired shots, killing two immediately, fatally wounding two more, and injuring a professor (total: 4 killed, 1 wounded). December 12, 189…

I wasn’t asking for evidence of the number of mass shootings. I was asking for evidence of “that’s why”.

logicchains' "evidence" is one of the most ridiculous styles of argument I see more and more frequently in social media, so thank you for calling them out on it.

They made a very specific, unsupported claim, and then when you requested evidence of that, they responded with a completely unrelated set of information that in no way supported their original claim, as if a longer response someone makes their argument more credible.

I don't know if it's AI slop or human slop, but it's total slop regardless.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by [deleted] »

logicchains wrote: post #96
mapontosevenths wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you said is here is wildly and completely inaccurate and seems to be based on fringe conspiracy theorist RFK Jr's thoroughly debunked lies. The exact opposite is true. Countries with the highest SSRI use have the lowest mass shooting rates. The evidence doesn't lie. Politicians do. https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-misleads-about-anti...

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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by Topfi »

throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #61
graphime wrote: post #45

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> I think you underestimate how many people actually care about mass shootings. Less than 1% of the population, that’s for sure. You remember the last protest about school shootings? Neither do I.

I get what you’re saying but in the last 20 years can you think of any mass protest that accomplished anything substantial? I don’t really blame people for giving up on it as a tool for change. TBH only truly effective one I can think of would be Jan 6

I can, just not in the US [0]. I always presumed this is linked to the health care being provided by employers rather than having a more robust safety net that allows for civil disobedience without having to fear existential risks. However, I also can’t forget that the French have their safety net not as a God given right, but because they fought for it via (often not just civil) protest. Reference also the statements MLK JR made concerning the willingness of white moderates to engage in actually effective disobedience, even when their financial situation allows for such.

[0] https://thenonviolenceproject.wisc.edu/2023/06/02/recent-pro...

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by tokioyoyo »

shimman wrote: post #106
satvikpendem wrote: post #62

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Hate to say it but you're right. If people cared, they'd actually do something about it.

People are doing something, the issue with you two's extremely poor thinking is that lack of inaction means no one cares. What it actually represents is the massive growing disparity between the political class and average Americans. There is >70% public support universal background checks for all firearm transactions, safe storage laws, and crisis intervention. Just the same that there is also large public support f…

I'm very sorry, but I've heard that "there's large public support for X, Y, Z" for decades. If there's no real action in achieving such things, my assumption is people don't actually care about it.

Personally, when I "care about something", I try to act on it. My list is not long, and I'm very grateful that I don't have to spend a single minute of my life to think about school shootings.

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Post by lebovic »

Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Claims of retribution aside, one steelman is that Mythos is likely the most capable model that's usable by folks like the NSA [1], and decision-makers across the USG and industry partners have seen a stream of reports of Mythos successfully finding serious vulnerabilities over the past couple months due to Glasswing.

So even if GPT 5.5 is just as capable in these scenarios (which, imo, it largely is), it is not known by the government apparatus as having the same capabilities.

Personally, I think we crossed the threshold of capabilities with Opus 4.6 [2], which translated to an even more capable open-weight GLM 5.1 (which it is rumored to have distilled Opus 4.6) [3][4]. But the USG and its partners aren't fully rational actors with perfect data, so it's possible they're only viscerally aware of these capabilities in the context of Mythos.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/business/us-security-agency-is-using...

[2]: Opus 4.6 was used for https://www.noahlebovic.com/testing-an-autonomous-hacker/

[3]: See GLM 5.1 scoring in https://www.cybergym.io/cybergym/

[4]: https://dualuse.dev/posts/chinese-models-are-sometimes-bette...

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by brisket_bronson »

logicchains wrote: post #69
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

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One: Correlation does not imply causation, two: SSRIs are available worldwide

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by mindslight »

throwawaytea wrote: post #82
blitzar wrote: post #32

> Researchers at Amazon had used a series of prompts to get Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to provide them with information that could be used to aid cyberattacks... Are there going to be bans on things that could be used to aid in school shootings next?

One infringes on a specific constitutional right. Also, this country would get even more dangerous without good citizens owning guns. IMO it's like herd immunity. Not everyone has guns. But the criminals don't know who does and who doesn't, so in a way they treat all homes as potentially being armed. Our criminals are already pretty care free, I can't imagine how much worse it would be if they KNEW no one was armed.

While there is some truth here, it's worth noting that firearms are far from a deterrent - these days, many criminals are often enraged by a victim having a gun and end up escalating further. Earlier this year there was a gang execution in Minneapolis that was prominent national news. The thugs were probably just going to kick the shit out of the victim, but when they discovered he merely had a gun, they took it from him and then held him down and shot him repeatedly in the back. Or there was another famous killing in Louisville about 6 years back. It started off as a simple night time home invasion but when one of the residents started to defend themselves by firing a warning shot, the perps responded by turning the home into a shooting gallery and ended up killing the other resident. So these days it's more of a toss up because we're not in the Wild West or even Paul Kersey's cities, but rather subject to highly organized crime that demands supplicating obedience and will readily retaliate against anyone who tries to defend themselves.

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by m-hodges »

logicchains wrote: post #96
mapontosevenths wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you said is here is wildly and completely inaccurate and seems to be based on fringe conspiracy theorist RFK Jr's thoroughly debunked lies. The exact opposite is true. Countries with the highest SSRI use have the lowest mass shooting rates. The evidence doesn't lie. Politicians do. https://www.factcheck.org/2025/10/rfk-jr-misleads-about-anti...

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The article you linked does not support the claim you made.

It argues that antidepressants may be associated with aggression or violent behavior in a small susceptible subset. That is very different from “SSRIs explain the rise of school shootings.”

The “most school shooters were on SSRIS” claim has been studied directly: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31513302/

Their conclusion: “most school shooters were not previously treated with psychotropic medications - and even when they were, no direct or causal association was found.”

Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by TiredOfLife »

vrganj wrote: post #84
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Antropic models are the ones that designated that school as valid target
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