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Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by zhoBEENG »

PeterStuer wrote: post #161

"Meanwhile, Anthropic’s competitors have friends up and down the administration — the Kushners are heavily invested in OpenAI, as an example.2 So another way to read this is that this is an opportunity for other labs to give Anthropic a black eye. Fable is, by all accounts, an incredibly strong model. Very convenient that it’s no longer available for consumers, especially right as Anthropic is about to IPO." This is…

A requirement of digital sovereignty is the ability to build competitive digital companies. It seems unlikely to me at this point that the EU is going to turn that ship around.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by arvid-lind »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #227
boppo1 wrote: post #200

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2A people don't want the right to carry a musket, they want the right to those same superdrones. You are framing their desires in bad faith.

I find that incredibly hard to believe. You're right they don't want to carry a musket, but that's because muskets are not sexy. They don't want superdrones either, because superdrones are not sexy. 2A people just like guns. Guns, culturally, are sexy.

I don't think it's sexy, though I wish people would stop using this word for things like... war machines. Gun culture is just a subculture in the US, and I agree weaponized drones aren't 1:1 with guns to gun nuts.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by randallsquared »

coldtea wrote: post #276
dns_snek wrote: post #192

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> Sure you do. You just don't have a society that looks like ours does. You've skipped a few steps, until you overthrow the government all you have a broken society with a system of governance that's deemed to be illegitimate, therefore its rules and actions are illegitimate. If you want to tear up the constitution and implement a new system of governance with "less government" then you're effectively advocating for…

> You've skipped a few steps, until you overthrow the government all you have a broken society with a system of governance that's deemed to be illegitimate, therefore its rules and actions are illegitimate. Sure, so? We did that quite a few times in the past, that's how we dont' still have Pharaohs. > If you want to tear up the constitution and implement a new system of governance with "less government" then you're e…

> Sure, so? We did that quite a few times in the past, that's how we dont' still have Pharaohs.

I'm not sure I'd agree. Mostly those in power in the past were overthrown by outside actors or failed gradually without an active "overthrow". The ones we think of as relatively successful are mostly those that are "stop being ruled by someone not local", rather than "change the form of government in place".

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by anabab »

sharperguy wrote: post #231
dxuh wrote: post #64

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I think it should be noted that the current government, which did this silly thing, belongs to a party that is pretty much advertising on wanting to be a smaller government that gets involved less. That is a large part of why people vote for them.

In a two party system, do you vote for the party that promises small government and never delivers, or the party that promises bigger government and does delive?

Looks like those in favor of small government should not vote - to apply evolutionary pressure instead of rewarding unacceptable behavior

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Post by te_chris »

modeless wrote: post #22

> But this government [...] I'm hearing a lot of this kind of thing. "Oh if only it was a different government". I'm sorry, but when you cry out for government involvement, it's not always going to be coming from the government you personally wanted. This is the whole problem with government involvement! I don't think that message is getting through, but it's the real lesson that should be learned here.

Great, so nihilism

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by fatata123 »

ngruhn wrote: post #235
MachineBurning wrote: post #100

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Game design is hard. Back in the day I released 4 flash games. 2 completely tanked, 1 did ok, and one went quite well (hundreds of years total time spent in game). There's a lot to getting it right, and like all software, you have to built it for your target market. There's no easy AI solution to getting a fun and engaging core loop. Nor is there one for building the right level of complexity and balancing the learni…

I agree. I'm not a game dev. I had a game idea and vibe-coded it with Claude. I kinda got what I had in mind but the game is just not engaging. I don't even know what to prompt. I tried "how could the be made more engaging" but no good ideas are falling out. I just have a lack of intuition for this kind of development. And Claude doesn't help.

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Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by Certhas »

derangedHorse wrote: post #290
Certhas wrote: post #274

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We should demand and work towards good public institutions that do their job. It's perfectly consistent to say "this is a job that legitimate democratic institutions should perform" and complain that currently the legitimacy of institutions is undermined. Let's take your argument to it's extreme point: The state should never regulate anything because the state might be bad! This is structurally the same fallacy as "p…

> Let's take your argument to it's extreme point: The state should never regulate anything because the state might be bad! I'm not convinced you understand the sentiment of the parent comment. It's that one should consider all possible scenarios of one's actions when making requests of a powerful entity they can't control. The mechanics of government make it such that once something is under their control, it'll be m…

I can control government more than I can control Google or Anthropic.

Also your argument is along the lines of thinking I argue for: You say I shouldn't lobby for regulation I believe is beneficial because a future government might change the regulations to make them not beneficial. This implicitly assumes that the future government wouldn't implement the non-beneficial regulations if the current government doesn't do the beneficial ones. Possibly! But this is arguing that we should firmly establish principles, values and precedents that future administrations will feel bound by. And that I would agree with: Regulations and governance should arise from principles (practical details and grey areas will always require a ton of messy detailed negotiations, but within the confines of principles!). One of the things the current US administration has done is to show that it is possible to disregard principles if you are powerful with no consequences. You can lie about elections being fraudulent, watch your supporters storm parliament and get reelected a few years later.

But if principles don't matter to those in power then the conclusion is actually the opposite of what you say. While your allies are in power you should use power however you can to further your interests, because when others are in power they will not feel bound by your restraint, and at least they first have to undo your work.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by zhoBEENG »

resters wrote: post #305
zhoBEENG wrote: post #303

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To be clear, the restriction is not to native-born citizens of the US but citizens of the US in general. David Sacks is a US citizen.

Sacks fraudulently obtained citizenship papers but the next administration will likely review the case and revoke his citizenship, which will make him eligible for deportation. Sacks can choose to self-deport on his own, which will help his chances if he ever decides to re-apply for citizenship or entry into the US.

I am almost afraid to ask, but do you have a source? When I put your claim in a couple of search engines all I get is your comment here.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by tripledry »

lostmsu wrote: post #273
tripledry wrote: post #232

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I'll believe it when I see it.

Can't you see there are many people strictly dumber than AI already? And that percentage is rapidly growing?

> There simply won't be jobs for them.

I simply don't agree with the doomer takes. Might be wrong. I'm kinda stupid yet here I am.

Re: There is a shadow hanging over this Fable thing

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Post by resters »

zhoBEENG wrote: post #318
resters wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sacks fraudulently obtained citizenship papers but the next administration will likely review the case and revoke his citizenship, which will make him eligible for deportation. Sacks can choose to self-deport on his own, which will help his chances if he ever decides to re-apply for citizenship or entry into the US.

I am almost afraid to ask, but do you have a source? When I put your claim in a couple of search engines all I get is your comment here.

I'm referring to the process described here: https://www.dhs.gov/cbphome
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