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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by varjag »

ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

It’s a market manipulation following SpaceX ipo. They’ll buy and then reverse the decision shortly to sell.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by rhubarbtree »

WarmWash wrote: post #501

This is crushing precedent for Europe. Maybe they'll have access to CCP models, but China will likely soon do them same. Maybe they will allow access but you must use it on their servers (i.e. share everything you do with the CCP). Perhaps Mistral can pull something out, but how far ahead will the US and China be by then?

I think we’ve already seen that export controls help your competitor in the long term. First europe would turn to Chinese models, then if china was daft enough to stop that (why would they? It would bring the end of American hegemony) then europe will just develop their own.

The difference between America and europe isn’t technical ability. It’s access to funding and ambition. Export controls would fix that. In fact, I think the trump administration is already driving a boom in London.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Pxtl »

iamEAP wrote: post #753

Surprised not to really see any comments on the financial incentives of this move, especially in the context of the “supply chain risk” classification earlier this year. Is there no one in government who would stand to gain from a financially handicapped Anthropic in the context of an OpenAI IPO?

I'm not. The political alignment of this site is very evident.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by vovavili »

The way I see it, a government led by an adult toddler and his sycophants has decided to punish a firm that refused to cooperate with it's military when it was embarrassed by a militarily weak adversary. The model strength spin strikes me as motivated reasoning.

The rubicon being crossed here is Republicans/the red tribe losing their comparative advantage of being opposed to overregulating a rapidly advancing technology.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by baq »

holmesworcester wrote: post #488

I think we should see this as simply silly behavior by a government. Export control is not an effective tool for controlling a consumer facing technology developers everywhere want to use (see:VPNs) so there was no good faith policy justification for imposing an export control. This is an administration that seems to be keeping track of who its friends are and aren't, and likes to be the center of every story. They a…

> silly behavior by a government

I can hear alarm bells going off in less silly governments around the world as we speak. Genie's out of the bottle. The gears have been put in motion. Etc.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by denkmoon »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

They can't control what I run on my GPU. Exactly why local inference is so important.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by charintstr »

spangry wrote: post #469

"The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any *foreign national*, whether inside or outside the United States, including *foreign national* Anthropic employees." This press release is odd - it says that the export control was imposed to stop foreign nationals from using Fable / Mythos, and then goes on to talk abou…

I find it most likely that this export ban means only USG has access to Mythos/Fable rn. Given the reports of NSA and DoD using Mythos it's now being given a near weapons-grade status by the government.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by monster_truck »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

They want Deepseek V4 Pro they can try to come and take it. It's incredible that anyone allowed themselves to become so reliant on closed models
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