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"Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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> I did compare a few individual chapters between the Ellsworth translation and the Fable translation. I'm pretty sure the Ellsworth translation is in the corpus. You basically instructed claude to regurgitate it. The llms all have the more famous books memorized. You can trick them to recite them more or less word for word.

I mentioned this specifically in my comment :)

... yet you still conclude "AI translation has gotten so good", so which is it?

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

This is a new form of Gell-Mann Amnesia: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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so what is software developer doing if writing code is not part of their job I don't see how not writing code is being offered as a moat, it seems like that is just translating business/stakeholder requirements to architecture/biz processes which is exactly the type of low hanging fruit that AI will capture first or was it your point that the position sits closer to the stakeholders (relatively compared to those lift…

If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. The code is largely an implementation detail. At least that's how it was for me, maybe other peoples' careers are different.

> If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out.

If they're so good at banging out code now, they're coming for that too, you know.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Google Translate is at the bottom of the barrel. All other AI translation tools are vastly superior. You'd want to evaluate those, and forget about Google Translate completely.

It's all the same, except LLMs are less precise with names.

Googles machine translation team wrote the Attention is all you need paper that introduced transformers specifically to solve the problem that you can just model language by mapping one word to another. I'd be floored if they weren't using the tech they invented for intended purpose

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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post #45

The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

> This is why I use AI for all my medical questions and doctors use AI to write software, and we both smirk at the quality the other person is getting from it. There is an interesting third group emerging: People who acknowledge the quality problem, but think they can deal with it by applying more AI to the output. This takes the form of people who spin up a lot of "agents" and give them personalities like security d…

I always imagine the model rolling its silicon eyes when it’s assigned a personality (“you are an expert growth hacker”) at the start of the prompt. Was that ever actually shown to be effective? Is it still?

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mentioned this specifically in my comment :)

... yet you still conclude "AI translation has gotten so good", so which is it?

I do think it's gotten pretty good. I'm just acknowledging my limitations in the matter. It's not a contradiction.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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I don't see LLMs being able to replace translators for less-spoken languages.

I know a translator between two Eastern European languages, and some jobs require use of specialized dictionaries. Using LLMs in such cases would be very unreliable and would require even more effort to check and correct than doing it correctly in the first place. Plus, I really doubt that US tech firms are training LLMs on language spoken by "only" 6 million people.

As for entertainment, anyone who grew up in Eastern Europe with pirated movies with nasal monotone translations, or machine-translated video games knows how much those take away from the experience. Sure, "AI could do better", but could it be consistent and capture cultural nuances and idioms, etc?

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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post #45

The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

> This is why I use AI for all my medical questions and doctors use AI to write software, and we both smirk at the quality the other person is getting from it. There is an interesting third group emerging: People who acknowledge the quality problem, but think they can deal with it by applying more AI to the output. This takes the form of people who spin up a lot of "agents" and give them personalities like security d…

How did you get over 52,000 karma in under 3 years with no submissions at all?

Are you averaging like 2000+ comments a month?

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. The code is largely an implementation detail. At least that's how it was for me, maybe other peoples' careers are different.

> If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. If they're so good at banging out code now, they're coming for that too, you know.

I don't necessarily disagree, but there's gotta be a name for some kind of "infinite extrapolation" fallacy, where you assume that the current rate of progress will continue indefinitely.

That might happen, but I don't think it's implied, at least given literally every other bit of technology that has ever happened in history ever.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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post #137

I don't see LLMs being able to replace translators for less-spoken languages. I know a translator between two Eastern European languages, and some jobs require use of specialized dictionaries. Using LLMs in such cases would be very unreliable and would require even more effort to check and correct than doing it correctly in the first place. Plus, I really doubt that US tech firms are training LLMs on language spoken…

Even more so for spoken-only languages.
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