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Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by s_tec »

xp84 wrote: post #45

The ending is a really powerful point. Most people apparently agree on two things: 1. AI is a great boon for all tasks and specialties we don’t have the skills to do ourselves. Understandable, since (A) we’re ill equipped to see the flaws in its output because it isn’t our area of expertise, and (B) it often can unlock great gains because if we trust it, we then don’t have to pay and wait for humans to do that thing.…

It seems to be a general principle: If AI is better than you at something, you use it. If AI is worse than you, you don't.

Each time the frontier models get better, I see another wave of AI doubters suddenly become believers. People say things like, "AI couldn't code last year, but now I use it for everything!" Interesting. Now we know how that the person who said this has the coding skills of a Claude Opus 4.5 or whenever the frontier was when they flipped.

Meanwhile, the rest of us keep using AI as simple tools, like the person in the article. I wonder how long it will take before computers can program better than me, and I flip too.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by skydhash »

zuzululu wrote: post #70
rootusrootus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More specifically, it is coming for coders . If you make your living by banging out lines of code all day, then you may want to be looking at adjusting your career trajectory. But if that is your job, you are either very junior, or a bit foolish for getting into that situation.

so what is software developer doing if writing code is not part of their job I don't see how not writing code is being offered as a moat, it seems like that is just translating business/stakeholder requirements to architecture/biz processes which is exactly the type of low hanging fruit that AI will capture first or was it your point that the position sits closer to the stakeholders (relatively compared to those lift…

So what a lab researcher doing if typing articles is not part of the job?

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

tombert wrote: post #58
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Out of curiosity, I sic'd Claude Fable on the original French version of The Three Musketeers and told it to translate accurately, but also try and keep the same jovial tone as the original and do not censor anything. After it was done, I didn't read the entire output, but I did compare a few individual chapters between the Ellsworth translation and the Fable translation. This isn’t a great test, because Claude alm…

Read the last two paragraphs :)

Oops, I legitimately missed the second-to-last paragraph.

I still think there are better tests you could do. Ideally, you would choose a book that was published recently—after the model’s cut-off date—which is considered to be a good translation. But even something like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, which is not particularly new and by no means obscure, would be better than a famous work of literature like The Three Musketeers that has many translations.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by pixel_popping »

Johnbot wrote: post #16
pixel_popping wrote: post #2

I agree with the take, but it's a temporary one, the sad reality is that we will be literally inferior soon, there will be a point where we will not trust human input without counter check by AI, we need to remember that we are kinda at the beginning of the AI era, in 5 to 10 years it's very unlikely that a human translator or software engineers will do better than the tooling we will have. There is already a tipping…

This is anecdata, but in my experience with myself and my coworkers, it is not that we believe the AI will be more accurate in software engineering, but that the answer will come faster and be more tailored to our exact problems. If I have to search SO, I have to find the answer and then tweak it to fit my codebase, but with AI tooling, the AI is already basing its answer around my code.

I think we actually do believe it, do you believe Fable 5+GPT-5.5(+ the whole model zoo) in loop with adversarial (no budget limit) or a 10-year experienced SWE?

We are talking about "codebases" but realistically we won't even be checking the filetree of them soon, it will be all blind, containerized and verified with pseudo guarantees which are good enough to build serious things. We don't even write documentation for humans anymore, we need to look at the trends and the reality within companies, most developers became "callcenter agents" in a matter of only 2 years and literally most of them are not even using proper automated tooling yet as we can see the "vibe coding" trend with Claude Code which is weak, by far most work done daily by developers is already automatable entirely, but with exceptions, sure, but in a few years those exceptions will become rare.

There will be niche problems about legacy products, sure, but legacy products will all be replaced over time, if we think in depth, why do we even need that many languages, that many tools? Tomorrow AI will write 99% if not all code existing ("code" doesn't even matter anyway), so it's much better if it's specific to AI and not playing this dance where we think we are doing a meaningful human contribution on an "AI-made codebase".

For context, I have 2 decades of software dev behind me.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by tombert »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #93
tombert wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the last two paragraphs :)

Oops, I legitimately missed the second-to-last paragraph. I still think there are better tests you could do. Ideally, you would choose a book that was published recently—after the model’s cut-off date—which is considered to be a good translation. But even something like The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo , which is not particularly new and by no means obscure, would be better than a famous work of literature like The Th…

Almost certainly correct, though I've noticed that these LLMs like to complain when you give it stuff that is still in copyright. The Three Musketeers is thoroughly public domain everywhere so in that sense it's a good test, but of course because it's public domain everywhere there are lots of translations to crib from so I acknowledge it's not a great test because the training data almost certainly contains a competent translation.

Even if Fable didn't have Ellsworth's translation, it certainly has the William Barrow translation, which would still get it like 80+% of the way there.

My wife speaks Spanish, I should get her to do some kind of comparison with a Spanish book that doesn't have English translations.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by tombert »

zuzululu wrote: post #70
rootusrootus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More specifically, it is coming for coders . If you make your living by banging out lines of code all day, then you may want to be looking at adjusting your career trajectory. But if that is your job, you are either very junior, or a bit foolish for getting into that situation.

so what is software developer doing if writing code is not part of their job I don't see how not writing code is being offered as a moat, it seems like that is just translating business/stakeholder requirements to architecture/biz processes which is exactly the type of low hanging fruit that AI will capture first or was it your point that the position sits closer to the stakeholders (relatively compared to those lift…

If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. The code is largely an implementation detail.

At least that's how it was for me, maybe other peoples' careers are different.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by pwython »

zuzululu wrote: post #70
rootusrootus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More specifically, it is coming for coders . If you make your living by banging out lines of code all day, then you may want to be looking at adjusting your career trajectory. But if that is your job, you are either very junior, or a bit foolish for getting into that situation.

so what is software developer doing if writing code is not part of their job I don't see how not writing code is being offered as a moat, it seems like that is just translating business/stakeholder requirements to architecture/biz processes which is exactly the type of low hanging fruit that AI will capture first or was it your point that the position sits closer to the stakeholders (relatively compared to those lift…

Same thing architects do if drawing lines gets automated: architecture.

Would you trust living in a high rise designed by AI?

Designing a system that survives production is the job.

Re: "Don't You Just Upload It to ChatGPT?"

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Post by FromTheFirstIn »

TekMol wrote: post #57

AI isn’t replacing me. Like a toddler, it needs to be constantly coached. Like a toddler, it will grow up. Humans are really bad at noticing trajectories. They see the current situation. They know what the situation was 5 years ago. But for some reason they do not believe that there is a trajectory. They view the present state as the final destination.

It’s been basically the same for 3 years now. Are you sure we’re the ones who can’t see trends?
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