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Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by martin8412 »

red75prime wrote: post #29

A driver might get a ticket. The navigation data will be updated. The next version might be better at interpreting signs (or a better balance between the navigation data and visual perception). The end.

Depending on what the car does, the driver might lose a point on their drivers license.

Once you’ve lost three points within three years, you lose your drivers license and will have to retake it. Depending on circumstances you might have a ban for some amount of time(finite or indefinite).

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by breakpointalpha »

red75prime wrote: post #29

A driver might get a ticket. The navigation data will be updated. The next version might be better at interpreting signs (or a better balance between the navigation data and visual perception). The end.

If a driver would get a ticket, shouldn't Tesla also get a ticket?

In the US, drivers kill pedestrians all the time and are barely punished.

Is this the same standard that should be adopted everywhere?

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by breakpointalpha »

threetonesun wrote: post #17
lnsru wrote: post #9

So now I am in a beta test as a vehicle dummy without a chance to opt out. My model Y can’t keep lanes what my entry level Škoda does perfectly fine. My model Y slams on the brakes occasionally when I try cruise control feature on empty highway. I reported this defect as a case for warranty, but according Tesla this is fine functionality.

You can opt out by selling it. I suppose if you think it's enough of an issue you could do us all a favor and just have it crushed.

As a pedestrian, can you sell your neighbor's dangerous car?

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by Veserv »

runarberg wrote: post #18
lightedman wrote: post #8

Might make sense, in California's driver handbook you're required to pull into the bike lane to make a turn if the bike lane is there. Part of that programming should have already existed given where Teslas were made.

If there is a sign which explicitly bans cars from entering it is still illegal (I assume; I never took the drivers license in California). In the video you can clearly see the street has a sign that says no cars and no motorcycles. The Tesla presumably saw that sign and either doesn’t recognize it (unlikely) or has a software telling the car to ignore it (more likely).

It most likely does not recognize the sign. Last I saw, after years of furious development they were still unable to recognize standard "Do Not Enter", "Road Closed", and "One Way" signs in the US. Here is a video [1] from a week ago where it fails to recognize a clearly visible "Do Not Enter" sign with "One Way" road indications.

[1] https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodowd.bsky.social/post/3mnhw...

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by guywithahat »

Veserv wrote: post #21
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #7

I don't speak the language but I wonder why the video doesn't show it actually entering the lane...

Really, your first instinct is: "The journalists are engaging in a baseless smear campaign." The video evidence clearly demonstrates it engaging in a clearly signed illegal maneuver that it should never have even begun. Furthermore, your mischaracterization of the video is significant. The car straightens out having crossed the pedestrian walkway clearly indicated on the dash screen. The dash screen clearly indicates…

Unfortunately journalists do engage in baseless smear campaigns? This seems like a legitimate concern

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

#36

Post by red75prime »

breakpointalpha wrote: post #32
red75prime wrote: post #29

A driver might get a ticket. The navigation data will be updated. The next version might be better at interpreting signs (or a better balance between the navigation data and visual perception). The end.

If a driver would get a ticket, shouldn't Tesla also get a ticket? In the US, drivers kill pedestrians all the time and are barely punished. Is this the same standard that should be adopted everywhere?

How did we get from turning into a bike lane to killing pedestrians?

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by red75prime »

martin8412 wrote: post #31
red75prime wrote: post #29

A driver might get a ticket. The navigation data will be updated. The next version might be better at interpreting signs (or a better balance between the navigation data and visual perception). The end.

Depending on what the car does, the driver might lose a point on their drivers license. Once you’ve lost three points within three years, you lose your drivers license and will have to retake it. Depending on circumstances you might have a ban for some amount of time(finite or indefinite).

The driver will be more attentive next time, while Tesla is working on improvements.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by bulbar »

red75prime wrote: post #29

A driver might get a ticket. The navigation data will be updated. The next version might be better at interpreting signs (or a better balance between the navigation data and visual perception). The end.

Might be better, might be worse, or the company simply does not care enough.

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

#39

Post by AtlasBarfed »

guywithahat wrote: post #35
Veserv wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, your first instinct is: "The journalists are engaging in a baseless smear campaign." The video evidence clearly demonstrates it engaging in a clearly signed illegal maneuver that it should never have even begun. Furthermore, your mischaracterization of the video is significant. The car straightens out having crossed the pedestrian walkway clearly indicated on the dash screen. The dash screen clearly indicates…

Unfortunately journalists do engage in baseless smear campaigns? This seems like a legitimate concern

And companies engage in far more shady things than they get "smeared" for in the press.

Jeez, AI auto response agents are going to bury the world in astroturf

Re: Tesla Full Self Driving uses bicycle lane in official Denmark approval video

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

robotresearcher wrote: post #30
spacedcowboy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skynet has indeed begun. There was a post recently about the very first time completely independent non-humans chose to kill humans (Russians) in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

I’m pretty sure non-human tigers have been killing humans for ages.

Tigers can initiate global thermal nuclear war?

What a comment

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